linux-kernel - Re: preempt bug in set_pmd

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Date:	Wed, 05 Mar 2008 08:48:41 -0800
From:	Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@...p.org>
To:	Hugh Dickins <hugh@...itas.com>
CC:	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@...or.com>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@...e.de>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: preempt bug in set_pmd_pfn?

Hugh Dickins wrote:
> Please, Ingo, could you give an example of where such additional locking
> is actually necessary?
>
> I ask because I went over those places when splitting the page_table_lock
> for userspace in 2.6.15.  Some things took init_mm.page_table_lock and
> some things didn't, and I concluded that actually none of them needed it.
>
> With the userspace pagetables, we need to guard against racing threads
> and vmscan/rmap.  But with the kernel pagetables, we'd already be in
> serious trouble if two cpus could be modifying the same pte at the
> same time - there needs to be other serialization already e.g. vmalloc
> has its own locking for parcelling out areas to different uses, so down
> at the page table level there should be no conflict.
>
> Allocation of new page tables, yes, that needs locking, and does use
> the page_table_lock for kernel space just as for user space.
>
> That was all two years ago, I may have been wrong then, or a lot may
> have changed since.  But I've heard of a grand total of 0 problems
> from not having such locking.
>   

It's not obvious to me what problems might arise, but the Xen set_pte 
operations do currently rely on preemption being inhibited.  At worst I 
can add preempt_disable/enable calls to them.

> And on the original topic of flush TLB without preemption disabled:
> again I'm not sure there's a bug there, but it's less clear.  Aren't
> some of those __flush_tlb_ones just unnecessary, we're simply filling
> a previously empty slot?  And if there's a guarantee that preemption
> will itself involve a TLB flush (maybe there's no such guarantee for
> these kernel entries, it's quite a different case from the userspace
> one, and you'll be worrying about the global bit), if, then it'd be
> okay to __flush_tlb_one without disabling preemption.

If a thread goes from processor A -> B -> A, where A is first preempted 
between a pagetable update and a tlb flush, then the second time the 
thread runs on A may run with a stale tlb (if in the meantime A has 
either been idle or only running kernel threads).

    J
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