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Date:	Sun, 9 Mar 2008 19:19:24 +0100
From:	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@...k.pl>
To:	Pierre Ossman <drzeus-list@...eus.cx>
Cc:	"LKML" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	linux-pm@...ts.linux-foundation.org,
	"Pallipadi, Venkatesh" <venkatesh.pallipadi@...el.com>,
	"Dave Jones" <davej@...emonkey.org.uk>,
	"Andi Kleen" <andi@...stfloor.org>,
	"Alan Stern" <stern@...land.harvard.edu>,
	"Adam Belay" <abelay@...ell.com>,
	"Lee Revell" <rlrevell@...-job.com>, "Pavel Machek" <pavel@....cz>
Subject: Re: [linux-pm] [PATCH] cpuidle: avoid singing capacitors

On Sunday, 9 of March 2008, Pierre Ossman wrote:
> I'm beginning to think this is a lost cause. I've tried several variants, all without satisfactory results.
> 
> In case anyone else has any more ideas, I'll detail what I've found influences the noise:
> 
> 1. C state
> 
> This is the big one. There is no noise as long as C3 is avoided (processor.max_cstate).
> 
> 2. uhci_hcd driver
> 
> USB is somehow involved in this problem. Unloading the uhci_hcd driver almost
> entirely kills the noise on a 1000 HZ NO_HZ kernel. On a 100 HZ, no NO_HZ
> kernel, the effect is very small, but still there.  
> 
> 3. Low speed USB devices
> 
> Related, the noise goes away if I insert a USB mouse (low speed).
> A high-speed device does not effect the noise, neither does the two built-in
> low speed devices (a fingerprint reader and a bluetooth host).  
> 
> 4. Battery and AC
> 
> The noise increases with the battery present and also when the AC supply is
> removed. 
> 
> 5. Second core
> 
> Disabling the second core makes the noise go away. This might be
> a subset of 1., as I've been told that a stopped core enters C1. 
> 
> 
> Changing HZ and NO_HZ has no noticeable effect on the problem (except
> the odd behaviour in 2.). This is further supported by the fact that Windows
> also has the problem (which should behave close to 100 HZ without NO_HZ).  
> 
> 
> So for now, the only viable workaround is processor.max_cstate....

Well, there may be some users willing to trade some battery life for having a
quiet box. :-)

Perhaps it's worth documenting?

Thanks,
Rafael
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