linux-kernel - RE: MMC: Card detection through pin CD/DAT3 issue

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Date:	Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:24:33 +0100
From:	"Wappler Marcel" <Marcel.Wappler@...dgeco.net>
To:	"Pierre Ossman" <drzeus-mmc@...eus.cx>
Cc:	<linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: MMC: Card detection through pin CD/DAT3 issue

Hi Pierre,

>> With this detection scheme I have some dificulties togehter
>> with the internal working of the current MMC stack:
>> The controller cannot detect a newly inserted card if the card power 
>> is switched of. This is due to the fact that the SD card applies the 
>> internal card detection pull up after it powered up. If there is no 
>> power -> no powering up -> no pull up. (besides the fact that a pull 
>> up needs power to for doing its work :-) )
>> 

> Then you have broken hardware. The specs clearly state that the 
> controller must be able to detect cards without powering up the
> cards. Also, the cards must implement the pull-up in a way that
> behaves like a resistor. So there should be no requirement for 
> full power there either.

I have found this requirement in the SD host controller spec:
"The card detect is active regardless of the SD Bus Power."

I wonder how the card should be able to pull up the CD/DAT3 Pad to VCC
if its only VCC pad is not connected to VCC due to the fact that the host
controller has switched off the cards power - any idea how this could be
managed?

There is a SD card spec section somewhere which statet that:
"If one of the supply pins (VDD or VSS) is not connected properly, then
the current is drawn through a data line to supply the card."

Maybe this is the key in understanding ho the pull up without VCC connected
works?

Thanks,
marcel
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