linux-kernel - Re: 2.6.25-rc7: Ugh.

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Message-ID: <20080328110127.GA1706@elf.ucw.cz>
Date:	Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:01:27 +0100
From:	Pavel Machek <pavel@...e.cz>
To:	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>
Cc:	David Brownell <david-b@...bell.net>, Mark Lord <lkml@....ca>,
	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>, jkosina@...e.cz,
	gregkh@...e.de, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-usb@...r.kernel.org, akpm@...ux-foundation.org,
	rtc-linux@...glegroups.com
Subject: Re: 2.6.25-rc7: Ugh.

On Fri 2008-03-28 11:20:10, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> 
> * David Brownell <david-b@...bell.net> wrote:
> 
> > Prevent the most significant RTC configuration problems:
> > 
> >  - If the new RTC framework is enabled, don't allow any of the
> >    legacy drivers to be configured.
> 
> yay!!!!
> 
> >  - When using generic RTC on x86, enable rtc-cmos by default.
> 
> Amen.
> 
> > It seems too many people are used to enabling a legacy RTC despite the 
> > Kconfig help/comments; the gentle approach hasn't worked.
> 
> Very-Much-Acked-by: Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>
Acked-by: Pavel Machek <pavel@...e.cz>


> it's not just about being gentle: it's that there are thousands of 
> .config options that are confusing to most users, so our defaults and 
> rules must make sense. If we think that an approach is superior (which 
> your new RTC code certainly is), we have to take up the responsibility 
> of pushing that as a prominent, default choice and excluding the old 
> code. That ends up benefiting everyone, reduces complexity of the 
> kernel. You wont see anyone shed tears for the old code.

...as I got bitten by this, too.

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