Message-ID: <47F119FA.2030604@rtr.ca>
Date:	Mon, 31 Mar 2008 13:06:02 -0400
From:	Mark Lord <lkml@....ca>
To:	Oliver Neukum <oliver@...kum.org>
Cc:	Pavel Machek <pavel@...e.cz>,
	Linux Kernel <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@...e.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>, jikos@...e.cz
Subject: Re: 2.6.25-rc7:  Ugh.

Mark Lord wrote:
> Oliver Neukum wrote:
>> Am Montag, 31. März 2008 17:04:46 schrieb Mark Lord:
>>> Oliver Neukum wrote:
>>>> Am Montag, 31. März 2008 16:39:33 schrieb Mark Lord:
>>>>
>>>>> One thing I just tried, was to unload all USB stuff before suspend,
>>>>> and reload on resume -- just stuck the commands into my 
>>>>> suspend/resume script.
>>>>>
>>>>> The machine has been 100% rock solid since then.
>>>>> So I think that definitely implicates USB.
>>>> Yes. What happens if you unload only usbhid at that time?
>>> ..
>>>
>>> Mmm.. interesting choice, there.  I'll try that.
>>>
>>> There is another quirk on this machine that might confuse
>>> software that's not robust:  the internal Bluetooth adapter
>>> is USB connected, and I normally have it disabled (BIOS hotkey).
>>> So it normally is "not present".
>>>
>>> But on any power-on / resume, it briefly powers up and becomes 
>>> "present",
>>> and, after a second or two, the BIOS powers it down again, "not 
>>> present".
>>>
>>> Just long enough for software to notice it and try talking to it.
>>> If that software is not carefully coded, it might get confused.
>>>
>>> This has not been a problem before, but perhaps with the new USB 
>>> autosuspend code?
>>
>> hci_usb doesn't have any autosuspend code.
>>
>>>>> Still want USB_SUSPEND=n ?  Please explain.
>>>> It looks like you are hanging in the kthread for autosuspending.
>>>> Compiling that out should confirm it.
>>> ..
>>>
>>> Okay, and once we see that it works fine:  then what?
>>
>> We'll combine that information with the result of only removing usbhid
>> and arrive at a pretty good idea where in the kernel the hang occurs.
>> There are only two functions that touch autosuspend in the usbhid code.
>> So if it works with usbhid unloaded, either of them should be to blame.
> ..
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> It does still hang with *usbhid* unloaded,
> but not if all USB stuff is unloaded.
> I'm still working my way through the rest of the suggestions here,
> and USB_DEBUG=n is next.
..

Correction.. USB_SUSPEND=n is next.
 
> I have figured out a way to make this much more reproducible now:
> When suspended, the notebook does not supply +5V over USB.
> But with a voltmeter, I discovered that there is sufficient capacitance
> on the USB +5V, that it takes many minutes for the voltage to decay
> from 5.1V down to near 0V.
> 
> Resuming while the voltage is still relatively high, generally works.
> Resuming after the voltage drops to near zero, always fails (with USB 
> modules loaded).
> 
> So I've put a 2Kohm resistor across the USB +5V lines,
> forcing it to decay to zero within about 5 seconds.
> This helps a lot for debugging here.
> 
> It probably also provides a vital clue as to what is wrong.
> Resume seems to generally work when the USB devices maintain
> some amount of standby power, and always fails when they don't.
> 
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