linux-kernel - Re: Reporting bugs and bisection

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Message-ID: <bd6139dc0804171257l5f875694yb57105ba40170789@mail.gmail.com>
Date:	Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:57:06 +0200
From:	"Sverre Rabbelier" <alturin@...il.com>
To:	"Ray Lee" <ray-lk@...rabbit.org>
Cc:	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@...k.pl>,
	"David Newall" <davidn@...idnewall.com>,
	"Jesper Juhl" <jesper.juhl@...il.com>, git@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"James Morris" <jmorris@...ei.org>,
	"Al Viro" <viro@...iv.linux.org.uk>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	"Willy Tarreau" <w@....eu>, david@...g.hm,
	"Stephen Clark" <sclark46@...thlink.net>,
	"Evgeniy Polyakov" <johnpol@....mipt.ru>,
	"Tilman Schmidt" <tilman@...p.cc>, Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu,
	"Mark Lord" <lkml@....ca>, "David Miller" <davem@...emloft.net>,
	yoshfuji@...ux-ipv6.org, jeff@...zik.org, netdev@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Reporting bugs and bisection

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Ray Lee <ray-lk@...rabbit.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 12:09 PM, Rafael J. Wysocki <rjw@...k.pl> wrote:
>  >  > Finger-pointing, in these extreme cases, gives incentive to improve
>  >  > quality.  It's a positive thing.
>  >
>  >  Sorry, but I have to disagree.  Negative finger-pointing is never a good thing.
>
>  Correct, but let's be careful here. The original suggestion was,
>  effectively, to get better metrics on the quality of contributions.
>  Those metrics *could* be used for finger pointing, or (my preference)
>  they could be used to direct and allocate our scarce resources: code
>  reviews and mentoring.

Exactly!

>  There's no way to know what the metrics will tell us until we have
>  them. Arguing against metrics because they *may* be used to point
>  fingers at people is a silly argument; anything can be subverted to do
>  that.

Thank you, that should have been said before, you worded it perfectly.

>  Let's get some measurements and see what they say. In the meantime,
>  try to believe that they could be put to good purposes, such as
>  identifying code areas that are tricky for contributors to get right
>  (independent of contributor), or contributors that could benefit from
>  code reviews, etc.

This especially is an area that I plan to focus on and should be very
reliable when finished. As can be read in my application, I plan to
look at how often a piece of code is changed, in what timespan and by
how many different authors.

Thanks for the reply!

Cheers,

Sverre
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