linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 1/11] Add generic helpers for arch IPI function calls

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Message-ID: <20080423074933.GB12774@kernel.dk>
Date:	Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:49:33 +0200
From:	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@...cle.com>
To:	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
Cc:	linux-arch@...r.kernel.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	npiggin@...e.de, torvalds@...ux-foundation.org, sam@...nborg.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/11] Add generic helpers for arch IPI function calls

On Wed, Apr 23 2008, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 08:07 +0200, Jens Axboe wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 22 2008, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 20:50 +0200, Jens Axboe wrote:
> > > 
> > > > +int smp_call_function_single(int cpu, void (*func) (void *info), void *info,
> > > > +			     int retry, int wait)
> > > > +{
> > > > +	unsigned long flags;
> > > > +	/* prevent preemption and reschedule on another processor */
> > > > +	int me = get_cpu();
> > > > +
> > > > +	/* Can deadlock when called with interrupts disabled */
> > > > +	WARN_ON(wait && irqs_disabled());
> > > 
> > > With this fallback to wait the above condition isn't sufficient.
> > 
> > What deadlock are you concerned with here? Would making cfd_fallback
> > per-cpu make you feel better?
> 
>   CPU0					  CPU1
> 
> local_irq_disable()			local_irq_disable()
> 
> 					smp_call_function_single(0,..,0)
> 					  test_and_set_bit_lock()
> 					  send IPI
> smp_call_function_single(1,..,0)
>   while(test_and_set_bit_lock())
>     cpu_relax();
> 
> 
> This will spin forever, because it needs to handle the IPI in order to
> free the cfd_fallback thingy, but can't for its waiting for it.
> 
> That particular deadlock can indeed be solved by making cfd_fallback
> per-cpu.

Right, that is the case I was thinking of. I added per-cpu fallbacks to
cover that case.

> But if you were to use multiple smp_call_function*() calls under a
> single IRQ disabled, then that would not be sufficient. Now I can't
> directly come up with a good reason to need to do that, but still.
> 
> You'd need somethine like:
> 
> local_irq_disable()
> 
> smp_call_function_single(n, func_a,..,0)
> smp_call_function_single(m, func_b,..,0)
> 
> local_irq_enable()
> 
> And invite 3 cpus to the party while under memory pressure and you get
> deadlock potential.
> 
> [ if it were both the same function, you'd want to use
>   smp_call_function() and provide a mask; if it were the same cpu you'd
>   want to call a function doing both ]

I think that is plenty far off into theoretical country that we can get
by with just documenting this limitation. Nobody is doing that currently
in the kernel, and I see no practical use case for it.

-- 
Jens Axboe

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