Date:	Wed, 23 Apr 2008 09:46:27 +0200
From:	Romano Giannetti <romanol@...omillas.es>
To:	Daniel Hazelton <dhazelton@...er.net>
Cc:	david@...g.hm, Denys Vlasenko <vda.linux@...glemail.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: x86: 4kstacks default



[Trimmed, I hope I got the authors right...]

On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 01:41 -0400, Daniel Hazelton wrote:
> > On Wed, 23 Apr 2008, Daniel Hazelton wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 23 April 2008 01:03:11 Denys Vlasenko wrote:
> > >> On Tuesday 22 April 2008 20:20, Romano Giannetti wrote:

> > >>> I know all the trouble ndiswrapper signify. But I see also that people
> > >>> around me with a laptop and linux use more ndiswrapper than a real
> > >>> driver, so... be gentle with it.
> > >>
> > >> Nobody knows how much potential development is not done because
> > >> "you can make your wifi work with ndiswrapper".
> > >

> And how much better would it be if the drivers were native linux code and were 
> fully supportable because of that?

I understand your position, but let me give my example. I have this
laptop that is one year old. I'm helping in all what I can to the
development of ath5k --- IOW, offering testing, I am not an expert on
this. 

But the mere fact that ndiswrapper exists enabled me to use this laptop
on a daily basis, and so I could test new kernel (and if you look at the
logs you'll see I had at least helped to fix a nasty MMC bug, and to
make sound work in this laptop) and help in other areas, like
suspend/resume testing and bug chasing. 

There is not only wireless development. Without ndiswrapper, I wouldn't
have been in any position to help other areas. I would have had a
crippled laptop[1], a much higher Vista uptime (which now is 0), and a
far bitter Linux experience.  

And this is the point of view of someone that is using Linux since
0.99pl9, so I have quite a bit of experience. 99% of normal users would
simply say "don't work"[2].

		Romano

[1] yes, there's a madwifi version locked to a specific kernel that
works with my card. But I do not think that this would be so much
different. 

[2] a nice page with "_this_ laptop will fully work with linux" would be
nice. Linux on laptop or similar is too complex to be a real help when
you have to buy a laptop in 2 days. 


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