linux-kernel - Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!

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Message-ID: <20080430223509.GA31547@elte.hu>
Date:	Thu, 1 May 2008 00:35:09 +0200
From:	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>
To:	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>
Cc:	akpm@...ux-foundation.org, torvalds@...ux-foundation.org,
	rjw@...k.pl, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, jirislaby@...il.com,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>
Subject: Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!

* Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu> wrote:

> What we need is not 'negative reinforcement'. That is just nasty, open 
> warfare between isolated parties, expressed in a politically correct 
> way.

in more detail: any "negative reinforcement" should be on the 
_technical_ level, i.e. when changes are handled - not at the broad tree 
level.

Sure, there are exceptions, etc. - but by the time stuff goes upstream 
it's too late and we've got to fix stuff instead of trying to push back 
on each other.

by earlier integration (= linux-next) we can do the pushback much 
earlier, in a much more granular, much more technical in a much less 
personal way: "hey Ingo, your new sched-dizzy-blah patch broke stuff 
here, zap it" or "hey Dave, that socket-foo rewrite just broke things 
here, zap it".

git-revert _kind of_ makes that possible too, but people still feel too 
personal about reverts - they take it as intrusion into their subsystem 
and regard it as an attack against their competence as a maintainer.

and this is all so typical btw.: the most effective measure against 
human warfare is for people to see each other and to talk to each other.

[ That's one reason why i am so worried about mailing list isolation.
  People get more distant, they mean less to each other, work less with
  each other => Linux suffers. I do accept that for some people lkml is
  simply too noisy - but i think the cure is worse than the disease. ]

	Ingo
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