linux-kernel - Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!

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Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.1.10.0804301821380.5994@woody.linux-foundation.org>
Date:	Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:25:50 -0700 (PDT)
From:	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>
To:	Adrian Bunk <bunk@...nel.org>
cc:	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>, rjw@...k.pl,
	davem@...emloft.net, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	jirislaby@...il.com
Subject: Re: Slow DOWN, please!!!

On Thu, 1 May 2008, Adrian Bunk wrote:
> 
> One big problem I see is Linus wanting to merge all drivers regardless 
> of the quality.

That's not what I said.

What I said was that I think we get *better* quality by merging early.

In other words, you're turning the whole argument on its head, and 
incorrectly so.

I claim that you are the one that is arguing for *worse* quality, by 
arguing for a process that is KNOWN to tend to generate bad code 
(out-of-tree drivers) as opposed to one that tends to fix things over time 
(and note the "tends" in both cases - there are counter-examples, but 
the trend is so clear that anybody who disputes it would seem to be either 
blind or lying).

So here's my challenge: give me *one* reason to believe that quality 
improves more out-of-tree than it does in-tree, and then you'll have a 
point. But you'd better be able to explain the ton of historical data we 
have that proves otherwise.

Until you do that, your blathering is just that - total blathering. The 
process I advocate is the one that has historical data on its side. Yours 
is just a failed theory.

			Linus
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