linux-kernel - Re: CFD: linux-wanking@...r.kernel.org (was [PATCH] Standard indentation of arguments)

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Message-Id: <20080521123355.b34f07ad.rdunlap@xenotime.net>
Date:	Wed, 21 May 2008 12:33:55 -0700
From:	Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@...otime.net>
To:	Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@...il.com>
Cc:	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Theodore Tso <tytso@....edu>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@...radead.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@...IV.linux.org.uk>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, davem@...emloft.net
Subject: Re: CFD: linux-wanking@...r.kernel.org (was [PATCH] Standard
 indentation of arguments)

On Wed, 21 May 2008 22:57:25 +0400 Cyrill Gorcunov wrote:

> [Andrew Morton - Wed, May 21, 2008 at 10:46:44AM -0700]
> | On Wed, 21 May 2008 08:09:39 -0400 Theodore Tso <tytso@....edu> wrote:
> | 
> | > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 06:32:06AM -0400, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> | > > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 01:50:37AM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> | > > > Oh, what a marvellous way to encourage new contributors that was. Thank
> | > > > you so much.
> | > > > 
> | > > > For the record: Al speaks only for himself and a lack of expressed
> | > > > disagrement from others should not be taken as agreement.
> | > > 
> | > > But I'd like to second the opinion.  This is getting a little too far.
> | > > We should rather try to at least enforce very basic standards a lot of
> | > > the crap shoved in doesn't follow instead of wanking around about exact
> | > > placement of whitespaces.
> | > 
> | > The real question is whether people who are wanking about whitespace
> | > and spelling fixes in comments will graduate to writing real, useful
> | > patches.  If they won't, there's no point to encouraging them.
> | > 
> | 
> | Guys, get a clue.  It doesn't matter what that person did.  It is the
> | effect upon *all* other potential developers which is so damaging here.
> | Not upon this individual.
> | 
> 
> Btw, we have CodingStyle, SubmittingPatches and other, but why don't
> we have something like KernelNewbieGuide? Don't get me wrong, but
> there could be written all rules about - what is good to do, what is bad.
> So a newbiew who wants to be usefull for kernel could read it and decide
> what should be done. /Don't beat me ;) / And of course I know about
> kernelnewbie.org but this (even quite short) document could help I think.

I did a talk on Linux "social engineering" at {OSCON, IEEE NW something,
and SCALE}.  All about what (not) to do, how to do it, etc.
Slides for it are available in http://www.xenotime.net/linux/mentor/ .


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~Randy
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