linux-kernel - Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project

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Message-ID: <20080529211404.GH8065@mit.edu>
Date:	Thu, 29 May 2008 17:14:04 -0400
From:	Theodore Tso <tytso@....edu>
To:	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>
Cc:	benh@...nel.crashing.org, James.Bottomley@...senPartnership.com,
	ksummit-2008-discuss@...ts.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Ksummit-2008-discuss] Fixing the Kernel Janitors project

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 01:54:31PM -0700, David Miller wrote:
> Ted, we are adults and professional kernel hackers.
> 
> If you put us in a room together, we know what the heck to talk
> about and what is relevant.  So saying we need to plan the topics and
> invite the right people, that's pure hogwash, just invite the same
> kind of people we've always been inviting and it will be fine.

I do assume people we invite are adults.  That being said, *some*
amout of structure is still a good thing.  And as others have pointed
out, sometimes the sharper disagreements are with people who aren't
invited.  If we know we want to try talk about LSM/Apparmor YET AGAIN
(no I'm not advocating this; besides, I thought Linus has already made
it clear that people who depend on path-oriented security are on crack :-), 
we might end up inviting some folks that we might not otherwise
include, just to take one example.

So if people want to talk about things that aren't on the agenda, it's
certainly not carried down by Moses from the mountain and cast in
stone; besides, Charles Heston has already passed away.  :-)

> Yes, process is important, but I'd say it deserved 1/3 of the summit
> time, but not one minute more.

We were about 50-50 last time, roughly.  So let's see if there is
consensus to dial it back this year, based on topics that people
suggest.

						- Ted
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