linux-kernel - Re: Inquiry: Should we remove "isolcpus= kernel boot option? (may have realtime uses)

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Date:	Wed, 04 Jun 2008 22:25:47 +0200
From:	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@...llo.nl>
To:	Max Krasnyansky <maxk@...lcomm.com>
Cc:	Mark Hounschell <dmarkh@....rr.com>,
	Nick Piggin <nickpiggin@...oo.com.au>,
	Ingo Oeser <ioe-lkml@...eria.de>, Paul Jackson <pj@....com>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, Con Kolivas <kernel@...ivas.org>,
	"Derek L. Fults" <dfults@....com>, devik <devik@....cz>,
	Dimitri Sivanich <sivanich@....com>,
	Dinakar Guniguntala <dino@...ibm.com>,
	Emmanuel Pacaud <emmanuel.pacaud@...v-poitiers.fr>,
	Frederik Deweerdt <deweerdt@...e.fr>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>,
	Matthew Dobson <colpatch@...ibm.com>, rostedt@...dmis.org,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@...sign.ru>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@...ibm.com>,
	Paul Menage <menage@...gle.com>,
	"Randy.Dunlap" <rddunlap@...l.org>, suresh.b.siddha@...el.com,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>
Subject: Re: Inquiry: Should we remove "isolcpus= kernel boot option? (may
	have realtime uses)

On Wed, 2008-06-04 at 12:26 -0700, Max Krasnyansky wrote:
> Mark Hounschell wrote:
> > IMHO,
> > 
> > What is an abonination, is that cpusets are equired for this type of
> > isolation to begin with, even on a 2 processor machine.
> > 
> > I would like the option to stay and be extended like Max originally
> > proposed. If cpusets/hotplug are configured isolation would be obtained
> > using them. If not then isolcpus could be used to get the same isolation.
> > 
> > From a user land point of view, I just want an easy way to fully isolate
> > a particular cpu. Even a new syscall or extension to sched_setaffinity
> > would make me happy. Cpusets and hotplug don't.
> > 
> > Again this is just MHO.
> 
> Mark, I used to be the same way and I'm a convert now. It does seems like an
> overkill for 2cpu machine to have cpusets and cpu hotplug. But both options
> cost around 50KB worth of text and maybe another 10KB of data. That's on the
> x86-64 box. Let's say it's a 100KB. Not a terribly huge overhead.
> 
> Now if you think about it. In order to be able to dynamically isolate a cpu we
> have to do exact same thing that CPU hotplug does. Which is to clear all
> timers, kernel, threads, etc from that CPUs. It does not make sense to
> implement a separate logic for that. You could argue that you do not need
> dynamic isolation but it's too inflexible in general even on 2way machines
> it's waste to not be able to use second cpu for general load even when RT app
> is not running. Given that CPU hotplug is necessary for many things, including
> suspend on multi-cpu machines it's practically guaranteed to be very stable
> and well supported. In other words we have a perfect synergy here :).
> 
> Now, about the cpusets. You do not really have to do anything fancy with them.
> If all you want to do is to disable systemwide load balancing
> 	mount -tcgroup -o cpuset cpuset /dev/cpuset
> 	echo 0 > /dev/cpuset/cpuset.sched_load_banace
> 
> That's it. You get _exactly_ the same effect as with isolcpus=. And you can
> change that dynamically, and when you switch to quad- and eight- core machines
>  then you'll be to do that with groups of cpus, not just system wide.
> 
> Just to complete the example above. Lets say you want to isolate cpu2
> (assuming that cpusets are already mounted).
> 	
> 	# Bring cpu2 offline
> 	echo 0 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu2/online
> 
> 	# Disable system wide load balancing
> 	echo 0 > /dev/cpuset/cpuset.sched_load_banace
> 	
> 	# Bring cpu2 online
> 	echo 1 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu2/online
> 
> Now if you want to un-isolate cpu2 you do
> 	
> 	# Disable system wide load balancing
> 	echo 1 > /dev/cpuset/cpuset.sched_load_banace
> 	
> Of course this is not a complete isolation. There are also irqs (see my
> "default irq affinity" patch), workqueues and the stop machine. I'm working on
> those too and will release .25 base cpuisol tree when I'm done.

Furthermore, cpusets allow for isolated but load-balanced RT domains. We
now have a reasonably strong RT balancer, and I'm looking at
implementing a full partitioned EDF scheduler somewhere in the future.

This could never be done using isolcpus.

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