linux-kernel - Re: How linux-staging is released (was Re: linux-staging/linux-next merge/build errors)

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Message-ID: <20080626123009.GO29619@elte.hu>
Date:	Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:30:09 +0200
From:	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>
To:	Greg KH <greg@...ah.com>
Cc:	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@...llo.nl>,
	Stephen Rothwell <sfr@...b.auug.org.au>,
	linux-next@...r.kernel.org, LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: How linux-staging is released (was Re:
	linux-staging/linux-next merge/build errors)

* Greg KH <greg@...ah.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 08:02:22PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > The point was that for some people being carried by distos is upstream
> > enough.
> > 
> > So I would discourage distros form picking up this tree.
> 
> I wouldn't, as some of the drivers work just fine on some arches, but 
> not all, that is why they are not in mainline yet (the network drivers 
> in there right now are an example of this.)

.. and it's all source code, so it's not really different to distros 
than a number of other patches they regularly pick up. If there's too 
much mess there's always the option to look into the fine source code 
and fix things up.

If a driver ended up not mattering at all in the long run then nobody 
will ever fix it up - and we dont even care that much - it's almost as 
if it didnt even exist.

The other alternative is much more harmful: vendors release binary-only 
drivers. That only works on x86 and they are utterly unfixable as well 
and have a lot of other disadvantages.

So we really have to balance the natural desire for pure upstream 
drivers against the real dangers of vendors doing bin-only modules just 
for the convenience of distribution.

... all in one: kudos Greg for doing the linux-staging tree! :-) It will 
help a lot.

	Ingo
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