linux-kernel - Re: [GIT *] Allow request_firmware() to be satisfied from in-kernel, use it in more drivers.

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Message-ID: <487CD7FE.9010209@garzik.org>
Date:	Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:01:50 -0400
From:	Jeff Garzik <jeff@...zik.org>
To:	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>
CC:	david@...g.hm, Arjan van de Ven <arjan@...radead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	David Woodhouse <dwmw2@...radead.org>,
	alan@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [GIT *] Allow request_firmware() to be satisfied from in-kernel,
 use it in more drivers.

Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 15 Jul 2008, Jeff Garzik wrote:
>> A more complex, multi-file inter-dependent system is more reliable than a
>> single-file driver with built-in firmware, doing the same thing?
> 
> I'm not interested in your made-up arguments.

It's a simple question...  you claimed A was more reliable than B, even 
though A is a more complex system than B.

I'm curious how that works, especially given that you have claimed the 
_exact opposite_ in years past, by pointing out how firmware separation 
could mean no-boot.

> Please just build everything statically. Don't use modules. They are 
> clearly too complex for you, adn everybody is happy.

Can't you make a simple, objective, technical comparison between two 
systems?

firmware-outside-driver has more utility and flexibility, but more 
things can go wrong, like driver present/firmware absent case that 
happens every day with today's wireless drivers.

firmware-inside-driver guarantees without _any_ doubt that the firmware 
is present, if the driver is guarantee.  There is no guarantee more 
solid than that.

	Jeff

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