linux-kernel - Re: [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linuxinterfaceforon access scanning

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Message-ID: <20080806064944.441305eb@infradead.org>
Date:	Wed, 6 Aug 2008 06:49:44 -0700
From:	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@...radead.org>
To:	"Press, Jonathan" <Jonathan.Press@...com>
Cc:	"Peter Dolding" <oiaohm@...il.com>,
	"Rik van Riel" <riel@...hat.com>, "Greg KH" <greg@...ah.com>,
	"Eric Paris" <eparis@...hat.com>, <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	<linux-security-module@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [malware-list] [RFC 0/5] [TALPA] Intro to a linuxinterfaceforon
 access scanning

On Wed, 6 Aug 2008 09:11:14 -0400
> There was probably an implicit assumption on everyone's part,
> including Red Hat's, that what ought to be done was to replace the
> existing syscall-based event trapping with some other interface that
> more or less does the same thing in a cleaner way -- NOT to have all
> of the AV and other product vendors go out and completely rethink
> their models.  And that's not because we inherently object to
> rethinking.  It's really an issue of what kind of time frame we have
> before a new OS goes out that completely breaks our products.

not writing to the syscall table hasn't been possible/allowed for..
about 5 years now. (yes I know there were still bad hacks possible
until 2 years ago). So I'm sorry, but the timeline argument doesn't
hold, you've had 5+ years of warning.

All existing RHEL products already don't allow this (I know it for the
earlier ones since I was part of the design team)...  unless your
software acts entirely like a rootkit (but even then)


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