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Date:	Fri, 8 Aug 2008 14:41:06 -0400 (EDT)
From:	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>
To:	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@...ymtl.ca>
cc:	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>,
	Roland McGrath <roland@...hat.com>,
	Ulrich Drepper <drepper@...hat.com>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@...tcorp.com.au>,
	Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@...p.org>,
	Gregory Haskins <ghaskins@...ell.com>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@...hat.com>,
	"Luis Claudio R. Goncalves" <lclaudio@...g.org>,
	Clark Williams <williams@...hat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/5] ftrace: to kill a daemon

On Fri, 8 Aug 2008, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:

> * Steven Rostedt (rostedt@...dmis.org) wrote:
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > That's bad :
> > > 
> > > #define GENERIC_NOP5 GENERIC_NOP1 GENERIC_NOP4
> > > 
> > > #define K8_NOP5 K8_NOP3 K8_NOP2
> > > 
> > > #define K7_NOP5 K7_NOP4 ASM_NOP1
> > > 
> > > So, when you try, later, to replace these instructions with a single
> > > 5-bytes instruction, a preempted thread could iret in the middle of your
> > > 5-bytes insn and cause an illegal instruction ?
> > 
> > That's why I use kstop_machine.
> > 
> 
> kstop_machine does not guarantee that you won't have _any_ thread
> preempted with IP pointing exactly in the middle of your instructions
> _before_ the modification scheduled back in _after_ the modification and
> thus causing an illegal instruction.
> 
> Still buggy. :/

Hmm, good point. Unless...

Can a processor be preempted in a middle of nops?  What do nops do for a 
processor? Can it skip them nicely in one shot?

This means I'll have to do the benchmarks again, and see what the 
performance difference of a jmp and a nop is significant. I'm thinking 
that if the processor can safely skip nops without any type of processing, 
this may be the reason that nops are better than a jmp. A jmp causes the 
processor to do a little more work.

I might even run a test to see if I can force a processor that uses the 
three-two nops to preempt between them.

I can add a test in x86 ftrace.c to check to see which nop was used, and 
use the jmp if the arch does not have a 5 byte nop.

I'm assuming that jmp is more expensive than the nops because otherwise
a jmp 0 would have been used as a 5 byte nop.

-- Steve
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