linux-kernel - Re: [malware-list] TALPA - a threat model? well sorta.

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Message-ID: <20080814204134.23c88f6c@infradead.org>
Date:	Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:41:34 -0700
From:	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@...radead.org>
To:	Theodore Tso <tytso@....edu>
Cc:	david@...g.hm, Christoph Hellwig <hch@...radead.org>,
	Eric Paris <eparis@...hat.com>, tvrtko.ursulin@...hos.com,
	alan@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk, andi@...stfloor.org,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, malware-list@...ts.printk.net,
	malware-list-bounces@...sg.printk.net, peterz@...radead.org,
	viro@...IV.linux.org.uk
Subject: Re: [malware-list] TALPA - a threat model?  well sorta.

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:04:00 -0400
Theodore Tso <tytso@....edu> wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 06:44:33PM -0700, david@...g.hm wrote:
> > could you do something like defining a namespace inside posix
> > attributes and then setting up a mechanism in the kernel to alert
> > if the attributes change (with the entire namespace getting cleared
> > if the file gets dirtied)?
> 
> According to Eric Paris the clean/dirty state is only stored in
> memory.  We could use the extended attribute interface as a way of not
> defining a new system call, or some other interface, but I'm not sure
> it's such a great match given that the extended attributes interface
> are designed for persistent data.
> 
> I agree that doesn't actually work very well for the tracker use case,
> where you the clean/dirty bit to be persistent (in case the tracker is
> disabled due to the fact you are running on battery, for example, and
> then you reboot).
> 

but we need a "give me all dirty files" solution, not a "is this file
dirty" solution.

I do not want a virus scanner to constantly have to poll the whole fs
for dirty files ;-)

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