Message-Id: <1221452597.2673.5.camel@pc10.localdom.local>
Date:	Mon, 15 Sep 2008 06:23:17 +0200
From:	hermann pitton <hermann-pitton@...or.de>
To:	Andy Walls <awalls@...ix.net>
Cc:	Manu Abraham <abraham.manu@...il.com>, linux-dvb@...uxtv.org,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [linux-dvb] Multiproto API/Driver Update


Am Sonntag, den 14.09.2008, 18:20 -0400 schrieb Andy Walls:
> On Mon, 2008-09-15 at 01:01 +0400, Manu Abraham wrote:
> > Andy,
> > 
> > 
> > Andy Walls wrote:
> > 
> > > Manu,
> > > 
> > > Though I can't read much German, after looking at the jusst.de website I
> > > can't help but think that you as well have financial interests driving
> > > your actions.  If so, then your statements display quite a bit of
> > > hypocrisy.
> > 
> > To your utter disappointment as i should say, i am not working for any
> > vendor, but just get device support out to the community.
> 
> Not to my disappointment.  I'm glad to hear it.  Someone who appears to
> have an EE background without corporate bias can be an asset to the
> community. 
> 
> 
> > The jusst.de domain is owned by Julian Scheel who runs Jusst
> > Technologies, just happened to offer me hosting for me repositories for
> > my work, using full ssh access, so that my workflow is easier.
> > 
> > Not that i have anything to do with jusst.de otherwise. OTOH, i do have
> > the patches at kernel.org
> > 
> > Maybe Julian can comment on this to make things more clearer on the
> > financial interests.
> 
> Then what I perceived was wrong.  My apologies.
> 
> 
> 
> > > Manipulating (i.e. stalling) the timing of Multiproto being merged into
> > > the v4l-dvb tree or kernel, for you or your employer's gain, would be
> > > little different from the motivations you allege Steve of having.
> > 
> > 
> > I am not manipulating any timing of multiproto being merged. In fact i
> > had been away, for a few months due to certain reasons, that you are
> > perfectly aware by now as far as i can understand.
> 
> I was aware you were away.  For what dates I do not know (I have emails
> from you in May 2008).  For what reasons, I do not know for sure (nor do
> I feel is it my business).
> 
> 
> 
> >  So the points that
> > you raise are quite baseless.
> 
> Not entirely, there is a basis for the timing point.  The pull requests
> seemed to have come in short order when confronted with a competing
> proposal.  Yet the project had been ongoing for at least over a year (as
> far as I can ascertain).  Here's a gripe about delays from Jan 2008:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-dvb@linuxtv.org/msg28606.html
> 
> There seemed to have been no other visible motivation for the pull
> requests except competition.  
> 
> 
> 
> > > Since the major gripe I'm reading on the list "is that multiproto has
> > > taken too long" and since it seems to me the only thing that shook it
> > > loose was a competing proposal, please save the venom for when you
> > > actually have some clear moral high-ground to stand on.  I don't see it
> > > from here.
> > 
> > Crap, just read above.
> 
> OK, then you do have some high ground.  But you also had essentially a
> monopoly position and now you have competition.  That is not crap. 
> 
> 
> > > As for the technical superiority of either API proposal; that probably
> > > just doesn't matter.  I've seen policy/political decisions force
> > > suboptimal technical solutions at work time and time again.  If you
> > > really believe you have a superior product technically; then perhaps you
> > > should work to make it superior politically as well.  Mud-slinging can't
> > > be a good long term strategy toward that end.
> > 
> > 
> > I don't have to do any mud-slinging, just wrote the exact facts out here.
> 
> No, you are mud slinging.  Let's count the derogatory terms you use in
> addressing your competition in the following quote:
> 
> "No need for you to break the compliant devices in favour of your
> mediocre cards. As i wrote just above, the STB0899 is not the only one
> device using the said features. Also i can guarantee that the CX24116
> (HVR4000) is the most handicapped DVB-S2 device that you are basing the
> DVB-S2 API on: and i can guarantee that what you do will be just be
> broken as you have done for other devices in the past."
> 
> "Also i do not understand, why you have to make a lot of noise to port
> the STB0899 drivers to your crap, when all your cards work as expected
> by you with the multiproto tree. I don't see any reason why the STB0899
> has to be ported to the handicapped API of yours, handicapping the
> STB0899 based devices."
> 
> 
> 1 mediocre
> 3 handicap (or variation thereof)
> 1 crap
> 2 break (or variation thereof) when referring to competing work
> 1 noise, when referring to another offer to do work competing work
> 
> And that's just part of the email.  I'd hate to read when you actually
> claim to be mud-slinging.
> 
> Regards,
> Andy
> 
> > Regards,
> > Manu
> 

Andy,

you are straight into it, at the point.

Don't believe any other, or say it was me, giving you a bad hint.

Hermann


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