linux-kernel - Re: [patch 00/04] RFC: Staging tree (drivers/staging)

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Message-Id: <20080925105320.ef70065b.randy.dunlap@oracle.com>
Date:	Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:53:20 -0700
From:	Randy Dunlap <randy.dunlap@...cle.com>
To:	Randy Dunlap <randy.dunlap@...cle.com>
Cc:	Paul Mundt <lethal@...ux-sh.org>,
	Parag Warudkar <parag.lkml@...il.com>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@...e.de>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, Andreas Gruenbacher <agruen@...e.de>,
	Jeff Mahoney <jeffm@...e.de>
Subject: Re: [patch 00/04] RFC: Staging tree (drivers/staging)

On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 07:49:23 -0700 Randy Dunlap wrote:

> On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 14:27:26 +0900 Paul Mundt wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:59:03PM -0400, Parag Warudkar wrote:
> > > On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:06 PM, Greg KH <gregkh@...e.de> wrote:
> > > > No, this is much different from EXPERIMENTAL.  That flag is pretty much
> > > > useless right now.  This is for a temporary landing place for drivers
> > > > that are not good enough to be merged, yet are useful enough for some
> > > > people to use.
> > > 
> > > How? TAINT_EXPERIMENTAL (I'll stick to that, thanks :) and
> > > CONFIG_EXPERIMENTAL are no different - neither to users nor to
> > > developers. Here is why -
> > > Both try to do the same thing - let people use the drivers on their
> > > own risk (as if the stable ones are developer's risk - but let's keep
> > > it aside for the moment) and give developers a chance to keep the code
> > > in sync with mainline and improve it per user problem reports or
> > > generally make it better.
> > > 
> > Uhm.. not quite. As the one that proposed the flag in the first place,
> > perhaps it helps to cover the rationale (although Greg seems to have
> > mostly covered that already).
> > 
> > EXPERIMENTAL today is pretty damn meaningless. What it tends to mean in
> 
> then it would be better if Greg/someone cleaned up the current tree's
> problems instead of introducing more CRAP under a different name.
> Oh well, his mind is already made up and I know how difficult it is to
> change it.

I shouldn't have said that last sentence.  I apologize to Greg.

ISTM that the real problems are (a) it's easier to introduce new staging/crap
than it is to fix EXPERIMENTAL and (b) no one wants to try to fix EXPERIMENTAL.


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~Randy
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