Date:	Tue, 30 Sep 2008 11:28:30 -0500
From:	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serue@...ibm.com>
To:	Eric Paris <eparis@...hat.com>
Cc:	James Morris <jmorris@...ei.org>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	sds@...ho.nsa.gov, morgan@...nel.org, selinux@...ho.nsa.gov
Subject: Re: [PATCH] capability: WARN when invalid capability is requested
	rather than BUG/panic

Quoting Eric Paris (eparis@...hat.com):
> On Tue, 2008-09-30 at 10:38 -0500, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> > Quoting Eric Paris (eparis@...hat.com):
> > > On Wed, 2008-10-01 at 00:23 +1000, James Morris wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 30 Sep 2008, Eric Paris wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > This patch adds a WARN_ONCE() to cap_capable() so we will stop
> > > > > dereferencing random spots of memory and will cleanly tell the obviously
> > > > > broken driver that it doesn't have that ridiculous permissions.  No idea
> > > > > if the driver is going to handle EPERM but anything that calls capable
> > > > > and doesn't expect a denial has got to be the worst piece of code ever
> > > > > written.....  I could return EINVAL, but I think its clear that noone
> > > > > has capabilities over 64 so clearly they don't have that permission.
> > > > > 
> > > > > This 'could' be considered a regression since 2.6.24.  Neither SELinux
> > > > > nor the capabilities system had a problem with ginormous request values
> > > > > until we got 64 bit support, although this is OBVIOUSLY a bug with the
> > > > > out of tree closed source driver....
> > > > 
> > > > An issue here is whether we should be adding workarounds in the mainline 
> > > > kernel for buggy closed drivers.  Papering over problems rather than 
> > > > getting them fixed does not seem like a winning approach.  Especially 
> > > > problems which are unexpectedly messing with kernel security APIs.
> > > 
> > > I don't know, looking at the feelings on "Can userspace bugs be kernel
> > > regressions" leads me to believe that when we break something that once
> > > worked we are supposed to fix it.
> > > 
> > > http://lwn.net/Articles/292143/
> > > 
> > > I don't think the proprietary closed source nature of the driver makes
> > > it any less our problem
> > 
> > The kernel-space nature of the driver is the distinction here.
> > 
> > > to not make changes which cause the kernel to
> > > esplode.
> > > 
> > > > Also, won't this encourage vendors of such drivers to continue with this 
> > > > behavior, while discouraging those vendors who are doing the right thing?
> > > 
> > > Discouraging people who open source their drivers and put them in the
> > > kernel?  obviously not.  encouraging crap?  well, I hope we fix
> > > regressions no matter how they are found...
> > > 
> > > > Do we know if this even really helps the user?  For all we know, the 
> > > > driver may simply crash differently with an -EPERM.
> > > 
> > > Well, before the 64 bit capabilities change we did:
> > > 
> > > (cap_t(c) & CAP_TO_MASK(flag))
> > > 
> > > so a huge value for "flag" got masked off.
> > > 
> > > After 64 bit capabilities we do:
> > > 
> > > ((c).cap[CAP_TO_INDEX(flag)] & CAP_TO_MASK(flag))
> > 
> > Perhaps we should have CAP_TO_INDEX mask itself?
> > 
> > #define CAP_TO_INDEX(x)		(((x) >> 5) & _KERNEL_CAPABILITY_U32S)
> 
> Well, you save a branch and won't get the pagefault so it does 'fix' the
> pagefault/panic from cap code.  It doesn't tell us when others screw up
> and SELinux is still possibly going to BUG().  We are also going to
> actually be returning a permission decision not on what was requested
> but on something wholely different.

So exactly what was requested?

> I like mine better, but I'm ok with yours and can just do my changes in
> SELinux if this is how cap wants to handle it.  I don't really like the

Heh I don't like either one, just thought this would reduce the overhead
a bit :)

Andrew Morgan, any opinions?

> idea of mutating the inputs and then making the security decision based
> on that mutation rather than on the original inputs (and yes, I realize
> that exactly what 2.6.24 was doing)
> 
> > Though I still think it's not unreasonable to simply ask for the driver
> > to be fixed.
> 
> I'm not going to argue that the driver needs fixed and that is the real
> problem.  I know its been filed with them and the response was that
> there is no support for linux.  I have today tried to poke the path I
> know of between Red Hat and them to ask them to take a look.
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