linux-kernel - Re: RFC: detection of silent corruption via ATA long sector reads

lists.openwall.net		lists / announce owl-users owl-dev john-users john-dev passwdqc-users yescrypt popa3d-users / oss-security kernel-hardening musl sabotage tlsify passwords / crypt-dev xvendor / Bugtraq Full-Disclosure linux-kernel linux-netdev linux-ext4 linux-hardening linux-cve-announce PHC
Open Source and information security mailing list archives

Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.

[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [day] [month] [year] [list]

Message-ID: <4957FCFF.20606@rtr.ca>
Date:	Sun, 28 Dec 2008 17:26:07 -0500
From:	Mark Lord <liml@....ca>
To:	Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@...il.com>
Cc:	Redeeman <redeeman@...anurb.dk>, piergiorgio.sartor@...go.de,
	neilb@...e.de, linux-raid@...r.kernel.org,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: RFC: detection of silent corruption via ATA long sector reads

Greg Freemyer wrote:
> All,
> 
> On the mdraid list, there was a recent thread about using raid
> functionality to detect / repair silent corruption.
> 
> The issues brought up were that a lot of silent data corruption occurs
> when cables, controllers, power supplies, ram, cache, etc. goes bad.
> 
> It made me think about another option for detecting silent corruption
> I have not seen discussed, but maybe I missed it.
> 
> Aiui, the ATA spec allows for the reading of a long sector as well as
> the normal 512 byte sector.  When you get a long sector you also get
> the CRC (or whatever checksum data there is on the disk that allows
> the drive itself to detect media errors).
> 
> I don't have any idea how easy or hard it would be to do, but I would
> like to see the entire block subsystem enhanced to optionally allow
> long sector reads to be used in a "paranoid" fashion.
> 
> Effectively it would be:
> 
> 1) Read long sector from drive:  verify CRC in kernel.  This tests
> most everything on the i/o path.
> 
> 2) maintain CRC type information in block subsystem.  Verify no
> corruption just before handing off to userspace.  This would
> potentially identify CPU/cache/RAM failures.
> 
> Mark Lord has implemented long sector reads via hdparm.  Mark can you
> comment on the feasibility of this idea?
..

The ATA READ/WRITE LONG commands have been obsoleted in the past few ATA specs,
even though most drives continue to implement them.

But not a good avenue.

There's a separate effort, involving drive vendors and kernel hackers,
to provide end-to-end CRC protection of data.  I forget what it was called,
but that's the future of this stuff for high-reliability requirements.

Cheers
--
To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in
the body of a message to majordomo@...r.kernel.org
More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Please read the FAQ at  http://www.tux.org/lkml/