lists.openwall.net   lists  /  announce  owl-users  owl-dev  john-users  john-dev  passwdqc-users  yescrypt  popa3d-users  /  oss-security  kernel-hardening  musl  sabotage  tlsify  passwords  /  crypt-dev  xvendor  /  Bugtraq  Full-Disclosure  linux-kernel  linux-netdev  linux-ext4  linux-hardening  linux-cve-announce  PHC 
Open Source and information security mailing list archives
 
Hash Suite: Windows password security audit tool. GUI, reports in PDF.
[<prev] [next>] [<thread-prev] [thread-next>] [day] [month] [year] [list]
Date:	Sun, 4 Jan 2009 18:30:52 -0500
From:	Theodore Tso <tytso@....edu>
To:	Pavel Machek <pavel@...e.cz>
Cc:	Sitsofe Wheeler <sitsofe@...oo.com>,
	Duane Griffin <duaneg@...da.com>, Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu,
	Martin MOKREJŠ <mmokrejs@...osome.natur.cuni.cz>,
	kernel list <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...l.org>, mtk.manpages@...il.com,
	rdunlap@...otime.net, linux-doc@...r.kernel.org
Subject: Re: document ext3 requirements

On Sun, Jan 04, 2009 at 11:40:52PM +0100, Pavel Machek wrote:
> Not neccessarily.
> 
> If I have a bit of precious data and lot of junk on the card, I want
> to copy out the precious data before the card dies. Reading the whole
> media may just take too long.
> 
> That's probably very true for rotating harddrives after headcrash...

For a small amount data, maybe; but the number of seeks is often far
more destructive than the amount of time the disk is spinning.  And in
practice, what generally happens is the user starts looking around to
make sure there wasn't anything else on the disk worth saving, and now
data is getting copied off based on human reaction time.  So that's
why I normally advise users that doing a full image copy of the disk
is much better than, say, "cp -r /home/luser /backup", or cd'ing
around a filesystem hierarchy and trying to save files one by one.

Note also that with SD cards, reading is generally non-destructive and
the time it takes to copy off say, 32 GB really isn't that long.

        	    	     	      	      - Ted
--
To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in
the body of a message to majordomo@...r.kernel.org
More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
Please read the FAQ at  http://www.tux.org/lkml/

Powered by blists - more mailing lists

Powered by Openwall GNU/*/Linux Powered by OpenVZ