Date:	Thu, 8 Jan 2009 13:51:27 -0800
From:	Ira Snyder <iws@...o.caltech.edu>
To:	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	linuxppc-dev@...abs.org, shemminger@...tta.com, arnd@...db.de,
	netdev@...r.kernel.org
Cc:	Rusty Russell <rusty@...tcorp.com.au>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v5] net: add PCINet driver

On Thu, Jan 08, 2009 at 11:27:16AM -0800, Ira Snyder wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 08, 2009 at 11:16:10AM -0800, David Miller wrote:
> > From: Ira Snyder <iws@...o.caltech.edu>
> > Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 11:50:52 -0800
> > 
> > > This adds support to Linux for a virtual ethernet interface which uses the
> > > PCI bus as its transport mechanism. It creates a simple, familiar, and fast
> > > method of communication for two devices connected by a PCI interface.
> > 
> > Well, it looks like much more than that to me.
> > 
> > What is this UART thing in here for?
> > 
> > I can only assume it's meant to be used as a console port between the
> > x86 host and the powerpc nodes.
> > 
> 
> Exactly right. I needed it to tell the U-Boot bootloader to tftp the
> kernel and boot the board. These boards don't keep their PCI settings
> (assigned by the BIOS at boot) over a soft or hard reset.
> 
> I couldn't think of a better way to get them started.
> 
> > You haven't even mentioned this UART aspect even indirectly in the
> > commit message.
> > 
> 
> Sorry, I'll add something about it.
> 
> > This just looks like yet another set of virtualization drivers
> > to me.  You could have just have easily built this using your
> > own PCI backplane framework, and using the virtio stuff on top.
> > 
> > And the virtio stuff has all kinds of snazzy optimizations that
> > will likely improve your throughput, it has console drivers that
> > distributions already probe for and attach appropriately, etc.
> > 
> > In short I really don't like this conceptually, it can be done
> > so much better using facilities we already have that are
> > heavily optimized and userland understands already.
> 
> I've had a really hard time understanding the virtio code. I haven't
> been able to find much in the way of documentation for it. Can you point
> me to some code that does anything vaguely similar to what you are
> suggesting?
> 
> Arnd Bergmann said that there is a similar driver (for different
> hardware) that uses virtio, but it is very slow, because it doesn't use
> the DMA controller to transfer data. I need at very minimum 40MB/sec of
> client -> host data transfer.
> 

Rusty, since you wrote the virtio code, can you point me at the things I
would need to implement to use virtio over the PCI bus.

The guests (PowerPC computers running Linux) are PCI cards in the host
system (an Intel Pentium3-M system). The guest computers can access all
of the host's memory. The guests provide a 1MB (movable) window into
their memory.

The PowerPC computers also have a DMA controller, which I've used to get
better throughput from my driver. I have a way to create interrupts to
both the host and guest systems.

I've read your paper titled: "virtio: Towards a De-Facto Standard For
Virtual I/O Devices"

If I read that correctly, then I should implement all of the functions
in struct virtqueue_ops appropriately, and the existing virtio drivers
should just work. The only concern I have there is how to make guest ->
host transfer use the DMA controller. I've done all programming of it
from the guest kernel, using the Linux DMAEngine API.

Are there any other implementations other than virtio_ring?

I appreciate any input you can give. If I should be CCing someone else,
just let me know and I'll drop you from the CC list.

Thanks,
Ira
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