linux-kernel - Re: source line numbers with x86_64 modules? [Was: Re: [patch] measurements, numbers about CONFIG_OPTIMIZE

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Message-ID: <m1tz83x58b.fsf@frodo.ebiederm.org>
Date:	Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:19:32 -0800
From:	ebiederm@...ssion.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To:	"Mike Snitzer" <snitzer@...il.com>
Cc:	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@...e.hu>,
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Subject: Re: source line numbers with x86_64 modules? [Was: Re: [patch] measurements, numbers about CONFIG_OPTIMIZE_INLINING=y impact]

"Mike Snitzer" <snitzer@...il.com> writes:

> On Sat, Jan 10, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu> wrote:
>>
>> Note, back when kdump was added to the kernel many moons ago i strongly
>> supported it and helped out with the patches, etc. I still think it might
>> have the potential to become big - but it needs a ton of tech and care to
>> reach that level of convenience.
>>
>> 'kdump light' perhaps that dumps the most important data structures like
>> registers of all CPUs, task struct and the symbol tables, the current task
>> itself including the kernel stack plus the surrounding 4K of all pointers
>> that are in current registers and that point into kernel memory - maybe
>> straight to kerneloops.org [if the user agrees] - or something like that.
>
> I think 'kdump light' is a good idea.  I'm all for infrastructure that
> works better for more people.  Having to deal with multi-gigabyte dump
> files can be a chore.
>
> The mechanics of dumping your suggested 'light' amount of data vs. all
> memory should be configurable (e.g. /sys/kernel/kexec_crash_light).

Not in sys because this is a user space configuration issue.
All of the dumping happens from user space.  The kernel just provides
access to the state of the previous kernel.

> And this obviously doesn't change the potentially fragile nature of
> kexec'ing to a crash kernel from an arbitrary context; or the fact
> that drivers can easily be incompatible with cleanly shutting down and
> restarting on kexec.

Yep.  Although the general answer in the kdump case is that if
the kdump kernel is running you have gotten past all of the driver
problems.  

> But honestly 99+% of my filesystem/storage enduced Linux crashes
> kexec/kdump properly (with RHEL5, 2.6.22, 2.6.25, and 2.6.28); so all
> the hard work of people like yourself and other kexec/kdump hackers
> (upstream and at RedHat) really is paying off for real Linux users!

Thanks.  It is good to hear that the code works in the field.

> Now if only I could fix line numbers when debugging crashes in x86_64
> modules with the crash utility! :)

It's a userspace problem...

All of the little usability things are userspace problems.

I won't claim that it is trivial because it is a userspace problem, at the same
time there is no reason to wait for any kernel features to merge etc.  Someone
just has to scratch an itch and go fix it.

Eric
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