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Date:	Wed, 25 Feb 2009 01:44:42 -0800
From:	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>
To:	Pekka Enberg <penberg@...helsinki.fi>
Cc:	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@...il.com>,
	Theodore Tso <tytso@....edu>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@...radead.org>,
	Pekka Paalanen <pq@....fi>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@...hat.com>,
	Jason Baron <jbaron@...hat.com>,
	Martin Bligh <mbligh@...gle.com>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <compudj@...stal.dyndns.org>,
	"Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@...hat.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@...fujitsu.com>,
	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@...cle.com>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@...hat.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <srostedt@...hat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/4] tracing: add event trace infrastructure

On Wed, 25 Feb 2009 11:33:07 +0200 Pekka Enberg <penberg@...helsinki.fi> wrote:

> Hi Andrew,
> 
> On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 01:22 -0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
> > irqsoff latency trace v1.1.5 on 2.6.26-rc8
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> >  latency: 97 us, #3/3, CPU#0 | (M:preempt VP:0, KP:0, SP:0 HP:0 #P:2)
> >     -----------------
> >     | task: swapper-0 (uid:0 nice:0 policy:0 rt_prio:0)
> >     -----------------
> >  => started at: apic_timer_interrupt
> >  => ended at:   do_softirq
> 
> <the header seems broken here, should have # at the beginning of the line>
> 
> > 
> > #                _------=> CPU#
> > #               / _-----=> irqs-off
> > #              | / _----=> need-resched
> > #              || / _---=> hardirq/softirq
> > #              ||| / _--=> preempt-depth
> > #              |||| /
> > #              |||||     delay
> > #  cmd     pid ||||| time  |   caller
> > #     \   /    |||||   \   |   /
> >   <idle>-0     0d..1    0us+: trace_hardirqs_off_thunk (apic_timer_interrupt)
> >   <idle>-0     0d.s.   97us : __do_softirq (do_softirq)
> >   <idle>-0     0d.s1   98us : trace_hardirqs_on (do_softirq)
> > 
> > your time starts now.
> 
> Well, what do you want to know? The first thing to do here is to:
> 
> $ grep -v "#" trace 
>   <idle>-0     0d..1    0us+: trace_hardirqs_off_thunk (apic_timer_interrupt)
>   <idle>-0     0d.s.   97us : __do_softirq (do_softirq)
>   <idle>-0     0d.s1   98us : trace_hardirqs_on (do_softirq)
> 
> after which you have access to the raw data. This particular trace seems
> to be somewhat hard to parse (because not all fields are whitespace
> delimited) but I can assure you that any format I rely on is not.

yes, but now you need to think about how this interface would have been
designed if we'd decided to access it with something smarter than
`cat'.

I mean, look at it.  All the multi-space column lining upping, the
unnecessary "us" annotation, the strange symbol(symbol) thing, etc. 
Plus it would have been more self-describing.  Right now, your parser
has to either assume that the second character of "0d..1" is
"irqs-off", or it has to learn how to follow ascii art lines.

Plus...  it's all English-only.

> So if you're arguing against specific ftrace plugins, go ahead (you
> probably have a fair point there). But please don't dismiss the while
> _concept_ of ftrace because of them.

Where on earth did that come from?

What I'm arguing against is putting English-only pretty-printers and
pretty-parsers on wrong side of int 80.  That's all.

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