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Date:	Tue, 03 Mar 2009 02:20:05 -0500
From:	Jeff Garzik <jeff@...zik.org>
To:	"Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@...il.com>
CC:	wireless <linux-wireless@...r.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Greg KH <greg@...ah.com>
Subject: Re: Elaboration on "Equivalent fix must already exist in Linus' tree"

Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 9:57 PM, Jeff Garzik <jeff@...zik.org> wrote:
>> Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:
>>> While extending the documentation for submitting Linux wireless bug
>>> reports [1] we note the stable series policy on patches -- that of
>>> having an equivalent fix already in Linus' tree. I find this
>>> documented in Documentation/stable_kernel_rules.txt but I'm curious if
>>> there is any other resource which documents this or elaborates on this
>>> a bit more. I often tell people about this rule or push _really_ hard
>>> on testing "upstream" but some people tend to not understand. I think
>>> that elaborating a little on this can help and will hopefully create
>>> more awareness around the importance of trees like Stephen's
>>> linux-next tree.
>> Just have people google for GregKH's copious messages, telling people a fix
>> needs to be upstream before it goes into -stable.
>>
>> Typically you make things easy by emailing stable@...nel.org with a commit
>> id.
>>
>> There are only two exceptions:
>> * fix is upstream, but needs to be modified for -stable
>> * fix is not needed at all in upstream, but -stable still needs it
> 
> This certainly helps, I'm also looking for good arguments to support
> the reasoning behind the policy so that not only will people follow
> this to help development but _understand_ it and so that they can
> themselves promote things like linux-next and realize why its so
> important. Mind you -- upstream for us in wireless for example is not
> Linus its John's tree so what we promote is not to get the fix first
> into Linus' tree but first into John's tree. Which is obvious to
> developers but perhaps not to others.
> 
> Let me try:
> 
> Our "equivalent fix" policy exists to ensure the next kernel release
> doesn't suck more, only less. We do this by ensuring every single
> patch that goes into any stable kernel is already applied on the tree
> used to release the next kernel release. As an consequence of this
> policy we also tend to create more exposure and create better focus to
> the different development trees that lead to Linus's tree thereby
> making the distributed development model we depend on more apparent
> and better structured.

Or more simply "so that fixes don't get lost" :)  -stable is effectively 
a dead-end side branch, not the main trunk.

	Jeff



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