linux-kernel - Re: Linux 2.6.29

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Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0903271443440.3994@localhost.localdomain>
Date:	Fri, 27 Mar 2009 14:46:15 -0700 (PDT)
From:	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>
To:	Jeff Garzik <jeff@...zik.org>
cc:	Matthew Garrett <mjg59@...f.ucam.org>,
	Alan Cox <alan@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Theodore Tso <tytso@....edu>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	David Rees <drees76@...il.com>, Jesper Krogh <jesper@...gh.cc>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Linux 2.6.29

On Fri, 27 Mar 2009, Jeff Garzik wrote:
> 
> On the other side of the coin, major desktop apps Firefox and Thunderbird
> already use it:  Firefox uses sqlite  [...]

You do know that Firefox had to _disable_ fsync() exactly because not 
disabling it was unacceptable? That whole "why does firefox stop for 5 
seconds" thing created too many bug-reports.

> So, arguments about "people should..." aside, existing desktops apps _do_
> fsync and we get to deal with the bad performance :/

No they don't. Read up on it. Really.

Guys, I don't understand why you even argue. I've been complaining about 
fsync() performance for the last five years or so. It's taken you a long 
time to finally realize, and you still don't seem to "get it".

PEOPLE LITERALLY REMOVE 'fsync()' CALLS BECAUSE THEY ARE UNACCEPTABLE FOR 
USERS.

It really is that simple.

			Linus
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