linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 2/2] tracing/events/lockdep: move tracepoints within recursive protection

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Message-Id: <1239902407.23397.3197.camel@laptop>
Date:	Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:20:07 +0200
From:	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
To:	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>
Cc:	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@...il.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] tracing/events/lockdep: move tracepoints within
 recursive protection

On Thu, 2009-04-16 at 13:03 -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Apr 2009, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> 
> > On Thu, 2009-04-16 at 12:15 -0400, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> > > plain text document attachment
> > > (0002-tracing-events-lockdep-move-tracepoints-within-recu.patch)
> > > From: Steven Rostedt <srostedt@...hat.com>
> > > 
> > > With the current location of the tracepoints in lockdep, the system
> > > can hard lockup in minutes when the tracepoints are enabled.
> > > 
> > > Moving the tracepoints outside inside the lockdep protection solves
> > > the issue.
> > 
> > NAK
> > 
> > the idea is to eventually move lockdep on top of the tracepoints. The
> > tracer should grow to be more robust and handle recursion itself.
> > 
> > Its likely a case of the tracer using a spinlock or mutex in the
> > tracepoint code. When I did the tracepoints I converted one such to a
> > raw_spinlock_t in the trace_print code.
> 
> Note, that the ring buffer and events are made to be recursive. That is, 
> it allows one event to trace within another event.

But surely not in the same context. You could do a 4 level recursion
protection like I did in perf-counter, not allowing recursion in:

 nmi, irq, softirq, process - context.

That allows you to trace an irq while you're tracing something in
process context, etc.. But not allow recursion on the same level.

>  If the tracepoint is 
> triggered by something within the trace point handler, then we are 
> screwed. That needs to be fixed.

Exactly the thing you want to detect and warn about, preferably with a
nice stack trace.

> I have not seen what is triggering back into locking. The ring buffer and 
> what I can see by the event code, does not grab any locks besides raw 
> ones.

Well, it used to all work, so something snuck in.

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