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Date:	Fri, 17 Apr 2009 16:39:05 +0200
From:	Andrea Righi <righi.andrea@...il.com>
To:	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@...cle.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 9/9] ext3: do not throttle metadata and journal IO

On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 02:50:04PM +0200, Jens Axboe wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 17 2009, Theodore Tso wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:21:20PM +0200, Andrea Righi wrote:
> > > Delaying journal IO can unnecessarily delay other independent IO
> > > operations from different cgroups.
> > > 
> > > Add BIO_RW_META flag to the ext3 journal IO that informs the io-throttle
> > > subsystem to account but not delay journal IO and avoid potential
> > > priority inversion problems.
> > 
> > So this worries me for two reasons.  First of all, the meaning of
> > BIO_RW_META is not well defined, but I'm concerned that you are using
> > the flag in a manner that in a way that wasn't its original intent.
> > I've included Jens on the cc list so he can comment on that score.
> 
> I was actually already on the cc, though with my private mail address! I
> did read the patch this morning and initially thought it was a bad idea
> as well, but then I thought that perhaps it's not that different to view
> journal IO as a form of meta data to some extent.
> 
> But still, putting any sort of value into the meta flag is a bad idea.
> It's assuming that it will get you some sort of extra guarantee, which
> isn't the case. If journal IO is that much more important than other IO,
> it should be prioritized explicitly. I'm not sure there's a good
> solution to this problem.

Exactly, the purpose here is is to prioritize the dispatching of journal
IO requests in the IO controller. I may have used an inappropriate flag
or a quick&dirty solution, but without this, any cgroup/process that
generates a lot of journal activity may be throttled and cause other
cgroups/processes to be incorrectly blocked when they try to write to
disk.

> 
> > Secondly, there are many more locations than these which can end up
> > causing I/O which will ending up causing the journal commit to block
> > until they are completed.  I've done a lot of work in the past few
> > weeks to make sure those writes get marked using BIO_RW_SYNC.  In
> > data=ordered mode, the journal commit will block waiting for data
> > blocks to be written out, and that implies you really need to treat as
> > high priority all of the block writes that are marked with the
> > BIO_RW_SYNC flag.
> > 
> > The flip side of this is it may end up making your I/O controller to
> > leaky; that is, someone might be able to evade your I/O controller's
> > attempt to impose limits by using fsync() all the time.  This is a
> > hard problem, though, because filesystem I/O is almost always
> > intertwined.
> > 
> > What sort of scenarios and workloads are you envisioning might use
> > this I/O controller?  And can you say more about the specifics about
> > the priority inversion problem you are concerned about?
> 
> I'm assuming it's the "usual" problem with lower priority IO getting
> access to fs exclusive data. It's quite trivial to cause problems with
> higher IO priority tasks then getting stuck waiting for the low priority
> process, since they also need to access that fs exclusive data.

Right. I thought about using the BIO_RW_SYNC flag instead, but as Ted
pointed out, some cgroups/processes might be able to evade the IO
control issuing a lot of fsync()s. We could also limit the fsync()-rate
into the IO controller, but it sounds like a dirty workaround...

> 
> CFQ includes a vain attempt at boosting the priority of such a low
> priority process if that happens, see the get_fs_excl() stuff in
> lock_super(). reiserfs also marks the process as holding fs exclusive
> resources, but it was never added to any of the other file systems. But
> we could improve that situation. The file system is really the only one
> that can inform us of such an issue.

What about writeback IO? get_fs_excl() only refers to the current
process. At least for the cgroup io-throttle controller we can't delay
writeback requests that hold exclusive access resources. For this reason
encoding this information in the IO request (or better using a flag in
struct bio) seems to me a better solution.

-Andrea
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