Message-Id: <1239987097.23397.4800.camel@laptop>
Date:	Fri, 17 Apr 2009 18:51:37 +0200
From:	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
To:	paulmck@...ux.vnet.ibm.com
Cc:	David Miller <davem@...emloft.net>, kaber@...sh.net,
	torvalds@...ux-foundation.org, shemminger@...tta.com,
	dada1@...mosbay.com, jeff.chua.linux@...il.com, paulus@...ba.org,
	mingo@...e.hu, laijs@...fujitsu.com, jengelh@...ozas.de,
	r000n@...0n.net, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	netfilter-devel@...r.kernel.org, netdev@...r.kernel.org,
	benh@...nel.crashing.org, mathieu.desnoyers@...ymtl.ca
Subject: Re: [PATCH] netfilter: use per-cpu spinlock rather than RCU (v3)

On Fri, 2009-04-17 at 09:33 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:

> > One comment, its again a global thing..
> > 
> > I've been playing with the idea for a while now to make all RCU
> > implementations into proper objects so that you can do things like:
> > 
> >   struct atomic_rcu_domain my_rcu_domain = create_atomic_rcu();
> > 
> >   atomic_rcu_read_lock(&my_rcu_domain());
> >   ...
> > 
> >   atomic_rcu_read_unlock(&my_rcu_domain());
> > 
> > and
> > 
> >   call_atomic_rcu(&my_rcu_domain, &my_obj->rcu_head, do_something);
> > 
> > etc..
> > 
> > We would have:
> > 
> >   atomic_rcu  --  'classic' non preemptible RCU (treercu these days)
> >   sleep_rcu   --  'preemptible' RCU
> > 
> > Then have 3 default domains:
> > 
> > sched_rcu     -- always atomic_rcu
> 
> This is the call_rcu_sched() variant.
> 
> > rcu           -- depends on PREEMPT_RCU
> 
> This is the call_rcu() variant.
> 
> > preempt_rcu   -- always sleep_rcu
> 
> I guess that this one could allow sleeping on mutexes...  Does anyone
> need to do that?

I almost did a few times, but never quite got the code that needed it
working good enough for it to go anywhere.

> > This would allow generic code to:
> >   1) use preemptible RCU for those cases where needed
> >   2) create smaller RCU domains where needed, such as in this case
> >   3) mostly do away with SRCU
> 
> #3 would be good!  But...
> 
> At an API level, there are two differences between SRCU and the other
> RCU implementations:
> 
> a.	The return value from srcu_read_lock() is passed to
> 	srcu_read_unlock().
> 
> b.	There is a control block passed in to each SRCU primitive.
> 
> Difference (a) could potentially be taken care of with a few tricks I
> am trying in the process of getting preemptrcu merged into treercu.

Right, incrementing one cpu and decrementing another doesn't change the
sum over all cpus :-)

> Your approach to (b) certainly makes it uniform, there are >500
> occurrences of rcu_read_lock() and rcu_read_unlock() each, but only
> a very few occurrences of srcu_read_lock() and srcu_read_unlock()
> (like exactly one each!).  So adding an argument to rcu_read_lock()
> does not sound at all reasonable.

static inline void rcu_read_lock(void)
{
	atomic_rcu_read_lock(&global_atomic_rcu_context);
}

static inline void rcu_read_unlock(void)
{
	atomic_rcu_read_unlock(&global_atomic_rcu_context);
}

static inline void call_rcu(struct rcu_head *rcuhead, void (*func)(struct rcu_head *))
{
	call_atomic_rcu(&global_atomic_rcu_context, rcuhead, func);
}

etc.. Should take care of that, no?

> > Now I realize that the presented RCU implementation has a different
> > grace period method than the existing ones that use the timer tick to
> > drive the state machine, so 2) might not be too relevant here. But maybe
> > we can do something with different grace periods too.
> > 
> > Anyway, just an idea because I always get a little offended at the hard
> > coded global variables in all these RCU implementations :-)
> 
> I am thinking in terms of adding a synchronize_rcu_bh() with the desired
> properties.  That way we avoid yet another RCU flavor.  (What can I say?
> I got carried away!)  Also, since the rcu-bh flavor is used only by
> networking, we have a fair amount of freedom to tweak it. 

Right. I was thinking along the way of providing a watermark (either
nr_queued based, or time based) and once it exceeds try to drive it from
read_unlock. Or similar. unlock driven RCU implementations have the best
grace period time every, except for all the down sides ;-)

>  It will take
> longer than introducing a new flavor, but Steve Hemminger has a good
> solution already, and RCU really isn't the thing to do quick hacks on.

Ok, back on topic :-)

I wouldn't exactly call it a good solution, it does a
for_each_possible_cpu() spin_lock();

 1) that should probably be for_each_online_cpu()

 2) that doesn't scale at all, I'm sure dave's 256-way hurts like mad
    when inserting tons of rules and we do that for every iptable
    modification.

 3) there is no way lockdep can track all that :(

Do we _really_ _really_ __HAVE__ to serialize this? So far I've heard
Patrick say: there might be, a use case. That doesn't sound like: we
should make it dead slow for everybody else.

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