linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 2/8] tracing: create automated trace defines

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Date:	Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:43:40 -0700
From:	Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@...p.org>
To:	Mathieu Desnoyers <compudj@...stal.dyndns.org>
CC:	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@...dmis.org>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <fweisbec@...il.com>,
	Theodore Tso <tytso@....edu>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@...radead.org>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@....de>,
	Lai Jiangshan <laijs@...fujitsu.com>,
	Zhaolei <zhaolei@...fujitsu.com>, Li Zefan <lizf@...fujitsu.com>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@...fujitsu.com>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@...hat.com>,
	"Frank Ch. Eigler" <fche@...stic.org>,
	Tom Zanussi <tzanussi@...il.com>,
	Jiaying Zhang <jiayingz@...gle.com>,
	Michael Rubin <mrubin@...gle.com>,
	Martin Bligh <mbligh@...gle.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@...llo.nl>,
	Neil Horman <nhorman@...driver.com>,
	Eduard - Gabriel Munteanu <eduard.munteanu@...ux360.ro>,
	Pekka Enberg <penberg@...helsinki.fi>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/8] tracing: create automated trace defines

Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> "all this code" is actually :
>
>                rcu_read_lock_sched_notrace();                          \
>                 it_func = rcu_dereference((tp)->funcs);                 \
>                 if (it_func) {                                          \
>                         do {                                            \
>                                 ((void(*)(proto))(*it_func))(args);     \
>                         } while (*(++it_func));                         \
>                 }                                                       \
>                 rcu_read_unlock_sched_notrace();                        \
>
> Which does nothing more than disabling preemption and a for loop to
> call all the tracepoint handlers. I don't see the big win in laying out
> the stack to call this code out-of-line; we would just remove the
> preempt disable and the loop, which are minimal compared to most
> call stacks.
>   

Well, look at it from my perspective:  Ingo has been repeatedly beating 
me up for the overhead pvops adds to a native kernel, where it really is 
just a (direct) function call.  I want to instrument each pvop site with 
a tracepoint so I can actually work out which calls are being called how 
frequently to look for new optimisation opportunities.

I would guess the tracepoint code sequence is going to increase the 
impact of each pvop call site by a fair bit, and that's not counting the 
effects the extra register pressure will have.  That's a pile of code to 
add.

And frankly, that's fine by me, because I would expect this degree of 
introspection to have some performance hit.  But it does make the need 
for per-subsystem tracing Kconfig entries fairly important, because I 
don't think this would be acceptable to ship in a non-debug-everything 
kernel build, even though other tracepoints might be.

> So basically, tracepoints are already just doing a function call, with a
> few more bytes for preempt disable and multiple handler support.
>
> About the compiler deciding to put the unlikely branch out-of-line, I've
> never seen any function calls generated just for the sake of saving
> those few bytes, that would be crazy of the part of the compiler.
> However, it can (and should) freely put the stack setup in the coldest
> cache-lines possible, which are reachable by a near jump.
>   

No, it wouldn't generate a call.  But if its going to put the code out 
of line into cold cache-lines, then it may as well generate a call.

Anyway, the important point from my perspective is that tracepoint.h 
have no #include dependencies beyond linux/types.h (compiler.h, etc).

    J
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