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Message-ID: <m38wlkxe9b.fsf@pobox.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:41:52 -0500
From: Nathan Lynch <ntl@...ox.com>
To: Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@...el.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
"linux-kernel\@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
"kosaki.motohiro\@jp.fujitsu.com" <kosaki.motohiro@...fujitsu.com>,
"andi\@firstfloor.org" <andi@...stfloor.org>,
"mpm\@selenic.com" <mpm@...enic.com>,
"adobriyan\@gmail.com" <adobriyan@...il.com>,
"linux-mm\@kvack.org" <linux-mm@...ck.org>,
Stephen Rothwell <sfr@...b.auug.org.au>,
Chandra Seetharaman <sekharan@...ibm.com>,
Olof Johansson <olof@...om.net>,
Helge Deller <deller@...isc-linux.org>, linuxppc-dev@...abs.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/5] proc: export more page flags in /proc/kpageflags
Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@...el.com> writes:
> On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 05:32:44AM +0800, Andrew Morton wrote:
>> On Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:09:12 +0800
>> Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@...el.com> wrote:
>>
>> > +/*
>> > + * Kernel flags are exported faithfully to Linus and his fellow hackers.
>> > + * Otherwise some details are masked to avoid confusing the end user:
>> > + * - some kernel flags are completely invisible
>> > + * - some kernel flags are conditionally invisible on their odd usages
>> > + */
>> > +#ifdef CONFIG_DEBUG_KERNEL
>> > +static inline int genuine_linus(void) { return 1; }
>>
>> Although he's a fine chap, the use of the "_linus" tag isn't terribly
>> clear (to me). I think what you're saying here is that this enables
>> kernel-developer-only features, yes?
>
> Yes.
>
>> If so, perhaps we could come up with an identifier which expresses that
>> more clearly.
>>
>> But I'd expect that everyone and all distros enable CONFIG_DEBUG_KERNEL
>> for _some_ reason, so what's the point?
At the least, it has not always been so...
>
> Good point! I can confirm my debian has CONFIG_DEBUG_KERNEL=Y!
I can confirm mine does not.
etch-i386:~# uname -a
Linux etch-i386 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Fri Dec 12 16:48:28 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
etch-i386:~# grep DEBUG_KERNEL /boot/config-2.6.18-6-686
# CONFIG_DEBUG_KERNEL is not set
For what that's worth.
>> It is preferable that we always implement the same interface for all
>> Kconfig settings. If this exposes information which is confusing or
>> not useful to end-users then so be it - we should be able to cover that
>> in supporting documentation.
>
> My original patch takes that straightforward manner - and I still like it.
> I would be very glad to move the filtering code from kernel to user space.
>
> The use of more obscure flags could be discouraged by _not_ documenting
> them. A really curious user is encouraged to refer to the code for the
> exact meaning (and perhaps become a kernel developer ;-)
>
>> Also, as mentioned in the other email, it would be good if we were to
>> publish a little userspace app which people can use to access this raw
>> data. We could give that application an `--i-am-a-kernel-developer'
>> option!
>
> OK. I'll include page-types.c in the next take.
>
>> > +#else
>> > +static inline int genuine_linus(void) { return 0; }
>> > +#endif
>>
>> This isn't an appropriate use of CONFIG_DEBUG_KERNEL.
>>
>> DEBUG_KERNEL is a Kconfig-only construct which is use to enable _other_
>> debugging features. The way you've used it here, if the person who is
>> configuring the kernel wants to enable any other completely-unrelated
>> debug feature, they have to enable DEBUG_KERNEL first. But when they
>> do that, they unexpectedly alter the behaviour of pagemap!
>>
>> There are two other places where CONFIG_DEBUG_KERNEL affects code
>> generation in .c files: arch/parisc/mm/init.c and
>> arch/powerpc/kernel/sysfs.c. These are both wrong, and need slapping ;)
>
> (add cc to related maintainers)
I assume I was cc'd because I've changed arch/powerpc/kernel/sysfs.c a
couple of times in the last year, but I can't claim to maintain that
code. I'm pretty sure I haven't touched the code in question in this
discussion. I've cc'd linuxppc-dev.
> CONFIG_DEBUG_KERNEL being enabled in distro kernels effectively means
>
> #ifdef CONFIG_DEBUG_KERNEL == #if 1
>
> as the following patch demos. Now it becomes obviously silly.
Sure, #if 1 is usually silly. But if the point is that DEBUG_KERNEL is
not supposed to directly affect code generation, then I see two options
for powerpc:
- remove the #ifdef CONFIG_DEBUG_KERNEL guards from
arch/powerpc/kernel/sysfs.c, unconditionally enabling the hid/ima
sysfs attributes, or
- define a new config symbol which governs whether those attributes are
enabled, and make it depend on DEBUG_KERNEL
> --- a/arch/powerpc/kernel/sysfs.c
> +++ b/arch/powerpc/kernel/sysfs.c
> @@ -212,19 +212,19 @@ static SYSDEV_ATTR(purr, 0600, show_purr, store_purr);
> #endif /* CONFIG_PPC64 */
>
> #ifdef HAS_PPC_PMC_PA6T
> SYSFS_PMCSETUP(pa6t_pmc0, SPRN_PA6T_PMC0);
> SYSFS_PMCSETUP(pa6t_pmc1, SPRN_PA6T_PMC1);
> SYSFS_PMCSETUP(pa6t_pmc2, SPRN_PA6T_PMC2);
> SYSFS_PMCSETUP(pa6t_pmc3, SPRN_PA6T_PMC3);
> SYSFS_PMCSETUP(pa6t_pmc4, SPRN_PA6T_PMC4);
> SYSFS_PMCSETUP(pa6t_pmc5, SPRN_PA6T_PMC5);
> -#ifdef CONFIG_DEBUG_KERNEL
> +#if 1
> SYSFS_PMCSETUP(hid0, SPRN_HID0);
> SYSFS_PMCSETUP(hid1, SPRN_HID1);
> SYSFS_PMCSETUP(hid4, SPRN_HID4);
> SYSFS_PMCSETUP(hid5, SPRN_HID5);
> SYSFS_PMCSETUP(ima0, SPRN_PA6T_IMA0);
> SYSFS_PMCSETUP(ima1, SPRN_PA6T_IMA1);
> SYSFS_PMCSETUP(ima2, SPRN_PA6T_IMA2);
> SYSFS_PMCSETUP(ima3, SPRN_PA6T_IMA3);
> SYSFS_PMCSETUP(ima4, SPRN_PA6T_IMA4);
> @@ -282,19 +282,19 @@ static struct sysdev_attribute classic_pmc_attrs[] = {
> static struct sysdev_attribute pa6t_attrs[] = {
> _SYSDEV_ATTR(mmcr0, 0600, show_mmcr0, store_mmcr0),
> _SYSDEV_ATTR(mmcr1, 0600, show_mmcr1, store_mmcr1),
> _SYSDEV_ATTR(pmc0, 0600, show_pa6t_pmc0, store_pa6t_pmc0),
> _SYSDEV_ATTR(pmc1, 0600, show_pa6t_pmc1, store_pa6t_pmc1),
> _SYSDEV_ATTR(pmc2, 0600, show_pa6t_pmc2, store_pa6t_pmc2),
> _SYSDEV_ATTR(pmc3, 0600, show_pa6t_pmc3, store_pa6t_pmc3),
> _SYSDEV_ATTR(pmc4, 0600, show_pa6t_pmc4, store_pa6t_pmc4),
> _SYSDEV_ATTR(pmc5, 0600, show_pa6t_pmc5, store_pa6t_pmc5),
> -#ifdef CONFIG_DEBUG_KERNEL
> +#if 1
> _SYSDEV_ATTR(hid0, 0600, show_hid0, store_hid0),
> _SYSDEV_ATTR(hid1, 0600, show_hid1, store_hid1),
> _SYSDEV_ATTR(hid4, 0600, show_hid4, store_hid4),
> _SYSDEV_ATTR(hid5, 0600, show_hid5, store_hid5),
> _SYSDEV_ATTR(ima0, 0600, show_ima0, store_ima0),
> _SYSDEV_ATTR(ima1, 0600, show_ima1, store_ima1),
> _SYSDEV_ATTR(ima2, 0600, show_ima2, store_ima2),
> _SYSDEV_ATTR(ima3, 0600, show_ima3, store_ima3),
> _SYSDEV_ATTR(ima4, 0600, show_ima4, store_ima4),
>
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