linux-kernel - Re: [patch 0/5] Support for sanitization flag in low-level page allocator

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Message-ID: <20090522143718.75790c94@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Date:	Fri, 22 May 2009 14:37:18 +0100
From:	Alan Cox <alan@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To:	"Larry H." <research@...reption.com>
Cc:	Rik van Riel <riel@...hat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...l.org>,
	linux-mm@...ck.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>
Subject: Re: [patch 0/5] Support for sanitization flag in low-level page
 allocator

> Definitely, but there's no need for this at all. If you want to target
> certain sensitive data, just grep the variable names in the
> world-readable System.map of your distribution of choice.

A lot of dynamic data will not be findable by System.map but its
certainly findable if you've got a "look mummy this one is stamped
confidential" flag then it becomes easy to find.

> > Obvious candidates would be AGPGart, DRI buffers, DMA lowmem buffering,
> > pad buffers - I dont think they clear all cases and in some cases
> > (notably DRI) there is data that is potentially "secret" stored in the
> > video RAM.
> 
> Overkill. Again, you really don't need to scan memory for anything. Much
> less video memory. If you already have CAP_SYS_RAWIO, you have more
> reliable and easier techniques to intercept information.

If you are working to clear memory then your model is totally flawed
because a lot of memory you might want to handle this way is never
deallocated.

> > You can also extract bits of data post clear out of fascinating corners
> > like the debug interfaces to FIFOs on I/O controllers. There are also a
> > large category of buffers that don't get freed/reallocated notably ring
> > buffers for networking, and tty ring buffers which are mostly not freed
> > for the lifetime of the device (ie forever). Cleaning all RAM as an
> > option on S2D and shutdown would be the only real way you'd fix that.
> 
> One of the patches takes care of tty buffer management to adopt the new
> flag. The only real way to solve the lengthy list of security risks
> coming along suspend-to-disk approaches is to simply disable
> suspend-to-disk altogether.

Which is a rather peculiar viewpoint you hold that I would disagree with
entirely.

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