linux-kernel - Re: [patch 0/5] Support for sanitization flag in low-level page allocator

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Message-ID: <20090523085653.0ad217f8@infradead.org>
Date:	Sat, 23 May 2009 08:56:53 -0700
From:	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@...radead.org>
To:	Alan Cox <alan@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc:	"Larry H." <research@...reption.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@...hat.com>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...l.org>, linux-mm@...ck.org,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...hat.com>, pageexec@...email.hu
Subject: Re: [patch 0/5] Support for sanitization flag in low-level page
 allocator

On Sat, 23 May 2009 09:09:10 +0100
Alan Cox <alan@...rguk.ukuu.org.uk> wrote:

> > Enabling SLAB poisoning by default will be a bad idea
> 
> Why ?
> 
> > I looked for unused/re-usable flags too, but found none. It's
> > interesting to see SLUB and SLOB have their own page flags. Did
> > anybody oppose those when they were proposed? 
> 
> Certainly they were looked at - but the memory allocator is right at
> the core of the system rather than an add on.
> 
> > > Ditto - which is why I'm coming from the position of an "if we
> > > free it clear it" option. If you need that kind of security the
> > > cost should be more than acceptable - especially with modern
> > > processors that can do cache bypass on the clears.
> > 
> > Are you proposing that we should simply remove the confidential
> > flags and just stick to the unconditional sanitization when the
> > boot option is enabled? If positive, it will make things more
> > simple and definitely is better than nothing. I would have (still)
> > preferred the other old approach to be merged, but whatever works
> > at this point.
> 
> I am because
> - its easy to merge
> - its non controversial
> - it meets the security good practice and means we don't miss any
>   alloc/free cases
> - it avoid providing flags to help a trojan identify "interesting"
> data to acquire
> - modern cpu memory clearing can be very cheap

.. and if we zero on free, we don't need to zero on allocate.
While this is a little controversial, it does mean that at least part of
the cost is just time-shifted, which means it'll not be TOO bad
hopefully...



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