linux-kernel - Re: [RFC] [PATCH] Device Tree on ARM platform

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Message-ID: <20090528134217.GB6805@pengutronix.de>
Date:	Thu, 28 May 2009 15:42:17 +0200
From:	Robert Schwebel <r.schwebel@...gutronix.de>
To:	Jon Smirl <jonsmirl@...il.com>
Cc:	Robert Schwebel <r.schwebel@...gutronix.de>,
	Wolfgang Denk <wd@...x.de>,
	Grant Likely <grant.likely@...retlab.ca>,
	Scott Wood <scottwood@...escale.com>,
	devicetree-discuss <devicetree-discuss@...abs.org>,
	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@...ts.arm.linux.org.uk,
	Janboe Ye <yuan-bo.ye@...orola.com>,
	Timur Tabi <timur@...escale.com>, rmk@....linux.org.uk
Subject: Re: [RFC] [PATCH] Device Tree on ARM platform

On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 09:33:28AM -0400, Jon Smirl wrote:
> > Wolfgang, you know me long enough to realize that this argument is
> > *crap*.
> >
> > Talking about business cases, it has turned out to be extremely
> > difficult to explain customers that the effort for the actual
> > functionality is only a little percentage of the work necessary to do
> > the oftree stuff right. The functionality has often worked after a few
> > hours, and until all oftrees have been solved, it often takes weeks.
> >
> > In result, this has already led to customers concluding that
> >
> > - mainline is not worth the effort
>
> And as an indirect customer of yours (via Phytec) I am spending a
> bunch of time submitting code you wrote to mainline. By not submitting
> code to mainline you prevent me from getting to security patches that
> have been made to later kernels. "port and forget" is evil should be
> banned.

This is absurd. Check

http://remword.com/kps_result/2_6_30_whole.html
http://remword.com/kps_result/2_6_29_whole.html

and I suppose our commitment to mainlining should be out of question,
also taking into account that all of this is done by a kernel team of
six people.

Nevertheless, nobody has infinite time, sorry.

rsc
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