linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH v4] zone_reclaim is always 0 by default

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Message-Id: <20090609124710.87da85ce.akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Date:	Tue, 9 Jun 2009 12:47:10 -0700
From:	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>
To:	Robin Holt <holt@....com>
Cc:	mel@....ul.ie, holt@....com, kosaki.motohiro@...fujitsu.com,
	cl@...ux-foundation.org, riel@...hat.com, yanmin.zhang@...el.com,
	fengguang.wu@...el.com, linux-ia64@...r.kernel.org,
	linuxppc-dev@...abs.org, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	linux-mm@...ck.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4] zone_reclaim is always 0 by default

On Tue, 9 Jun 2009 07:02:14 -0500
Robin Holt <holt@....com> wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 11:37:55AM +0100, Mel Gorman wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 09, 2009 at 04:55:07AM -0500, Robin Holt wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jun 08, 2009 at 12:50:48PM +0100, Mel Gorman wrote:
> > > 
> > > Let me start by saying I agree completely with everything you wrote and
> > > still disagree with this patch, but was willing to compromise and work
> > > around this for our upcoming x86_64 machine by putting a "value add"
> > > into our packaging of adding a sysctl that turns reclaim back on.
> > > 
> > 
> > To be honest, I'm more leaning towards a NACK than an ACK on this one. I
> > don't support enough NUMA machines to feel strongly enough about it but
> > unconditionally setting zone_reclaim_mode to 0 on x86-64 just because i7's
> > might be there seems ill-advised to me and will have other consequences for
> > existing more traditional x86-64 NUMA machines.
> 
> I was sort-of planning on coming up with an x86_64 arch specific function
> for setting zone_reclaim_mode, but didn't like the direction things
> were going.
> 
> Something to the effect of...
> --- 20090609.orig/mm/page_alloc.c       2009-06-09 06:51:34.000000000 -0500
> +++ 20090609/mm/page_alloc.c    2009-06-09 06:55:00.160762069 -0500
> @@ -2326,12 +2326,7 @@ static void build_zonelists(pg_data_t *p
>         while ((node = find_next_best_node(local_node, &used_mask)) >= 0) {
>                 int distance = node_distance(local_node, node);
>  
> -               /*
> -                * If another node is sufficiently far away then it is better
> -                * to reclaim pages in a zone before going off node.
> -                */
> -               if (distance > RECLAIM_DISTANCE)
> -                       zone_reclaim_mode = 1;
> +               zone_reclaim_mode = arch_zone_reclaim_mode(distance);
>  
>                 /*
>                  * We don't want to pressure a particular node.
> 
> And then letting each arch define an arch_zone_reclaim_mode().  If other
> values are needed in the determination, we would add parameters to
> reflect this.
> 
> For ia64, add
> 
> static inline ia64_zone_reclaim_mode(int distance)
> {
> 	if (distance > 15)
> 		return 1;
> }
> 
> #define	arch_zone_reclaim_mode(_d)	ia64_zone_reclaim_mode(_d)
> 
> 
> Then, inside x86_64_zone_reclaim_mode(), I could make it something like
> 	if (distance > 40 || is_uv_system())
> 		return 1;
> 
> In the end, I didn't think this fight was worth fighting given how ugly
> this felt.  Upon second thought, I am beginning to think it is not that
> bad, but I also don't think it is that good either.
> 

We've done worse before now...

Is it not possible to work out at runtime whether zone reclaim mode is
beneficial?

Given that zone_reclaim_mode is settable from initscripts, why all the
fuss?

Is anyone testing RECLAIM_WRITE and RECLAIM_SWAP, btw?

The root cause of this problem: having something called "mode".  Any
time we put a "mode" in the kernel, we get in a mess trying to work out
when to set it and to what.

I think I'll drop this patch for now.

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