linux-kernel - RE: [tip:tracing/core] Revert "x86, bts: reenable ptrace branch trace support"

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Date:	Thu, 11 Jun 2009 08:17:53 +0100
From:	"Metzger, Markus T" <markus.t.metzger@...el.com>
To:	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@...radead.org>
CC:	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"mingo@...hat.com" <mingo@...hat.com>,
	"hpa@...or.com" <hpa@...or.com>,
	"oleg@...hat.com" <oleg@...hat.com>,
	"tglx@...utronix.de" <tglx@...utronix.de>,
	"mingo@...e.hu" <mingo@...e.hu>,
	"linux-tip-commits@...r.kernel.org" 
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Subject: RE: [tip:tracing/core] Revert "x86, bts: reenable ptrace branch
 trace support"

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Peter Zijlstra [mailto:peterz@...radead.org]
>Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 8:36 AM
>To: Metzger, Markus T
>Cc: linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org; mingo@...hat.com; hpa@...or.com; oleg@...hat.com;
>tglx@...utronix.de; mingo@...e.hu; linux-tip-commits@...r.kernel.org
>Subject: RE: [tip:tracing/core] Revert "x86, bts: reenable ptrace branch trace support"
>
>On Thu, 2009-06-11 at 07:30 +0100, Metzger, Markus T wrote:
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: tip-bot for Ingo Molnar [mailto:mingo@...e.hu]
>> >Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:37 AM
>> >To: linux-tip-commits@...r.kernel.org
>> >Cc: hpa@...or.com; mingo@...hat.com; peterz@...radead.org; Metzger, Markus T; oleg@...hat.com;
>> >tglx@...utronix.de; mingo@...e.hu
>> >Subject: [tip:tracing/core] Revert "x86, bts: reenable ptrace branch trace support"
>> >
>> >Commit-ID:  511b01bdf64ad8a38414096eab283c7784aebfc4
>> >Gitweb:     http://git.kernel.org/tip/511b01bdf64ad8a38414096eab283c7784aebfc4
>> >Author:     Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>
>> >AuthorDate: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 00:32:00 +0200
>> >Committer:  Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>
>> >CommitDate: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 00:32:00 +0200
>> >
>> >Revert "x86, bts: reenable ptrace branch trace support"
>> >
>> >This reverts commit 7e0bfad24d85de7cf2202a7b0ce51de11a077b21.
>> >
>> >A late objection to the ABI has arrived:
>> >
>> >   http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/6/10/253
>>
>> I thought that this has been resolved. See for example http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/6/10/257.
>>
>> Peters concerns were that Debug Store details are exposed to user space, which is
>> not the case. Debug Store itself is fully in-kernel and the expectation of a
>> user-defined buffer can be implemented on top of the Debug Store changes that
>> Peter expects are needed to support PEBS.
>>
>> A user-defined trace buffer size is required to support different usage models.
>> Some users only need a small amount of trace, whereas others need a big amount.
>> The interface will have to reflect that in some way.
>
>Right, your last email did explain how we could keep per task in-kernel
>buffers and fill them from the DS and still have them of user-specified
>size.
>
>That would indeed keep the proposed ABI workable, what I'm still not
>liking is that this buffer is in-kernel, but I guess that might be
>something for other people to have an opinion on.

The alternative would be to give a user-allocated buffer to the tracing h/w.

We would need to take precautions to prevent the user from messing around
with that buffer while the h/w is writing to it. Other code uses the kernel-
allocated buffer plus copy_to_user() approach, as well.

Further, it would require the user to interpret the various tracing formats,
whereas the existing interface provides an architecture-independent format.


Does anybody have concerns on using an in-kernel buffer and providing a 
copy_to_user() interface?


regards,
markus.
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