Message-Id: <1244850967.7231.26.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Date:	Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:56:07 -0700
From:	john stultz <johnstul@...ibm.com>
To:	Magnus Damm <magnus.damm@...il.com>
Cc:	linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org, mingo@...e.hu, lethal@...ux-sh.org,
	tglx@...utronix.de, akpm@...ux-foundation.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] clocksource: setup mult_orig in clocksource_enable()

On Thu, 2009-06-11 at 14:51 +0900, Magnus Damm wrote:
> Hi John,
> 
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 6:04 AM, john stultz<johnstul@...ibm.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2009-05-01 at 14:45 +0900, Magnus Damm wrote:
> >> From: Magnus Damm <damm@...l.co.jp>
> >>
> >> Setup clocksource mult_orig in clocksource_enable().
> >
> > Hey Magnus,
> > Sorry I missed this earlier, I just noticed it in the -tip tree.
> 
> No worries!
> 
> > I've some concerns below.
> >
> >> Clocksource drivers can save power by using keeping the
> >> device clock disabled while the clocksource is unused.
> >>
> >> In practice this means that the enable() and disable()
> >> callbacks perform clk_enable() and clk_disable().
> >>
> >> The enable() callback may also use clk_get_rate() to get
> >> the clock rate from the clock framework. This information
> >> can then be used to calculate the shift and mult variables.
> >
> > Hrmmm.. So when the clocksource code was designed, it was expected that
> > the clocksource mult value would be set prior to registration, and then
> > would not be modified by any user other then the timekeeping core. As
> > changing the mult value directly (on a clocksource thats being used)
> > could cause time inconsistencies.
> 
> But no one is changing the mult value on a clocksource that is being
> used in this case, no? I may remember wrong, but isn't
> clocksource_enable() called on unused clocksources that soon will
> become used?

True, but having mult change after registration is still somewhat
unexpected behavior (to me at least).

> >> Currently the mult_orig variable is setup from mult at
> >> registration time only. This is conflicting with the above
> >> case since the clock is disabled and the mult variable is
> >> not yet calculated at the time of registration.
> >
> > Is there really no way to calculate the mult value prior to
> > registration? Maybe quickly enabling, getting the freq, and then
> > disabling?
> 
> I can't think of any way that would work. The clock frequency can be
> changed while the clock is disabled. And we can only know the rate
> after enabling the clock, see these lines from include/linux/clk.h:
> 
> /**
>  * clk_get_rate - obtain the current clock rate (in Hz) for a clock source.
>  *		  This is only valid once the clock source has been enabled.
>  * @clk: clock source
>  */
> unsigned long clk_get_rate(struct clk *clk);

Hrmm.. Yuck. 

Is this really expected behavior that a clk would change frequencies
between uses as a clocksource?

Do you have some examples where this code is actually used? 


> >> --- 0001/include/linux/clocksource.h
> >> +++ work/include/linux/clocksource.h  2009-05-01 12:59:27.000000000 +0900
> >> @@ -288,7 +288,15 @@ static inline cycle_t clocksource_read(s
> >>   */
> >>  static inline int clocksource_enable(struct clocksource *cs)
> >>  {
> >> -     return cs->enable ? cs->enable(cs) : 0;
> >> +     int ret = 0;
> >> +
> >> +     if (cs->enable)
> >> +             ret = cs->enable(cs);
> >> +
> >> +     /* save mult_orig on enable */
> >> +     cs->mult_orig = cs->mult;
> >> +
> >> +     return ret;
> >>  }
> >
> > So this seems like it will break if a clocksource is switched away from
> > and then back to (the reason we added mult_orig in the first place).
> > Since the re-enabled clocksource would then save off its modified mult
> > value into mult_orig.
> 
> Oh, I see. Sorry about that. I wonder if adding a "cs->mult =
> cs->orig_mult;" to clock_disable() would help?

Technically it would. Although we lose the corrective factor that had
already been applied, but that should readjust fairly quickly.

So yea, at a minimum setting mult back to orig_mult would be needed for
this patch to work.  

However, its just ugly. I don't really like the idea of clocksources
freq changes under us (even if they're not actively in use). But I may
have to just deal with the reality. :(

thanks
-john


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