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Date:	Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:47:55 -0500
From:	Douglas Niehaus <niehaus@...c.ku.edu>
To:	Ted & Syauchen Baker <baker.tlh@...cast.net>
CC:	'Peter Zijlstra' <a.p.zijlstra@...llo.nl>,
	'Henrik Austad' <henrik@...tad.us>,
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	'Ingo Molnar' <mingo@...e.hu>,
	'Bill Huey' <billh@...ppy.monkey.org>,
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	'Fabio Checconi' <fabio@...dalf.sssup.it>,
	"'James H. Anderson'" <anderson@...unc.edu>,
	'Thomas Gleixner' <tglx@...utronix.de>,
	'Ted Baker' <baker@...fsu.edu>,
	'Dhaval Giani' <dhaval.giani@...il.com>,
	'Noah Watkins' <jayhawk@....ucsc.edu>,
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Subject: Re: RFC for a new Scheduling policy/class in the Linux-kernel

Ted has written a lot that I should think about for some time before 
dealing with too many of the details, but one issue is worth clarifying, 
I think, at least

The Group Scheduling framework is intended to permit flexible 
configuration of *any* scheduling semantics, RT or otherwise that is 
desired. We have done CPU share, application progress, and others. 
Further , it is intended to permit applications running under multiple 
programming models to coexist, although this requires higher-levels of 
the system Group Scheduling hierarchy to describe how conflicts among 
applications are resolved.

In that context, I coined the term "proxy execution" (I have no idea if 
anyone else had coined it before, but it seems an obvious idea, so they 
may have) as a *generalization* of Priority Inheritance, because it was 
a way to think about the issue, and implement it correctly for a mixture 
of scheduling semantics,  if not as cheaply as I might like.

Thus, the idea is that if A -blocked-on-> B, then A is still considered 
by the scheduling hierarchy, under whatever semantics is may be using, 
priority or otherwise. If everyone is using priority semantics, then the 
choice of the proxy calculation is the *same as* it would be under 
Priority Inheritance, but arrived at by a different mechanism. If A is 
under explicit plan scheduling, and B is under CFS or CPU share, then if 
A would be chosen by the system if it were not blocked, then B is run as 
its proxy until it gets out of A's way. In this case no priorities exit, 
so Proxy Execution is not a "way of implementing Priority Inheritance".

Ted is correct that for any specific configuration of system semantics 
support RT applications using any of several RT programming models, 
schedulability is a key feature. I think that it is possible, in many 
cases, and that GS will support schedulability in many cases when 
configured correctly.

However, some of the many open questions include:

(1) Which system services, *if any* can RT threads use and still support 
"acceptable" schedulability analysis under a given RT programming model?

     (1.1) Will the use of system services (system calls) by RT threads 
need to be explicitly supported by, perhaps, explicitly making the 
schedulers of *other* threads also using those system calls aware of 
that and take it into account to make those other tasks non-preemptible 
while holding system call related locks.

     (1.2) Can Linux SMP ever support this in an acceptable manner since 
locks associated with systems services are shared across CPU boundaries. 
THus, I can isolate a set of RT tasks on a CPU easily, and they are well 
isolated and can run under strict predictability, *until they use a 
system call that uses a lock*. Then, the system call is an interaction 
channel with every other thread on the system using the same system call.

         (1.2.1) The only alternative tot he obvious properties I can 
think of here is to make each CPU run a separate copy of the OS and use 
disjoint sets of devices.  At which point we have a distributed system 
in a box.  Fundamentally, I think solutions to this problem are simply 
more expensive than people are yet willing to accept. Alternately, of 
course, I may just be thinking that so salve my disappointment at not 
thinking of a cheap solution.

(2) Is the overhead of various mechanisms for tackling RT scheduling and 
schedulability analysis going to be a barrier for SMP solutions, and if 
so for how long, before people may just have to accept that "it really 
does cost that much".

Of more personal concern:

(3) Is the generality of GS going to cost more than is feasible for some 
applications. I can confidently say "yes" to the simplest form of this 
question. The more subtle form is, "For what percentage of all possible 
applications will the generality cost  of GS be acceptable in return for 
its configurability?" I think the percentage will be high, or I would 
not have kept working on it for so long. Whether any of those qualifying 
applications are RT is less clear.

One final observation as I must go for now:

The traditional levels of overhead viewed as acceptable for making some 
of these decisions may not be attainable in SMP systems seeking to 
support multiple threads running under different programming models.
 
Unfortunately if a consensus on a new "minimum feasible overhead" is 
required, it could take quite a while, because if I think my approach is 
at the "new minimum" but others do not, I am faced with proving a 
negative - that no other approach can do it more cheaply, and that is, 
of course, notoriously difficult.

-Doug

Ted & Syauchen Baker wrote:
> Before committing to a locking protocol, such as the (1) or (2) below, I
> would like to see explanation of how the schedulability analysis would be
> done with whatever model is being proposed.  Since we are talking about SMP,
> this should include (at least) an analysis for the partitioned scheduling
> model and the global scheduling model, and preferably also for hybrids
> (tasks restricted to various subsets of processors), at least for
> fixed-priority scheduling, but preferably also for deadline scheduling, and
> for aperiodic server scheduling algorithms of both classes.  To do less,
> would be making a huge commitment on behalf of the kernel support group and
> future application programmers, without any assurance that the mechanism
> will be workable in the long term.
>
> Witness the difficulties caused by premature standardization of POSIX
> PTHREAD_PRIO_INHERIT, and the bug that is standardized SCHED_SPORADIC, to
> see what we want to avoid.
>
> Ted
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Douglas Niehaus [mailto:niehaus@...c.ku.edu] 
> Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 10:41 PM
> To: Peter Zijlstra
> Cc: Henrik Austad; LKML; Ingo Molnar; Bill Huey; Linux RT; Fabio Checconi;
> James H. Anderson; Thomas Gleixner; Ted Baker; Dhaval Giani; Noah Watkins;
> KUSP Google Group
> Subject: Re: RFC for a new Scheduling policy/class in the Linux-kernel
>
> Peter:
>     Perhaps you could expand on what you meant when you said:
>
> 	Thing is, both BWI and PEP seems to work brilliantly on
> Uni-Processor
> 	but SMP leaves things to be desired. Dhaval is currently working on
> a
> 	PEP implementation that will migrate all the blocked tasks to the
> 	owner's cpu, basically reducing it to the UP problem.
>
> What is left to be desired with PEP on SMP? I am not saying it is 
> perfect, as I can think of a few things I would like to improve or 
> understand better, but I am curious what you have in mind.
>
> Absent a clearer idea of what you had in mind, I can certainly discuss 
> the tradeeoffs Noah and I have considered over time, and which we think 
> motivates our approach.
>
> When Noah and I have talked about this topic over the quite extended 
> time, several years, we have been working on it, there have always 
> seemed two choices:
>
> 1) Move the proxy (the resource owner) to the CPU with the blocked task
> 2) Move the "scheduling profile" of the blocked task to the CPU where 
> the proxy is.
>
> For Proxy Execution under Group Scheduling we have considered both over 
> time. Consider the situation where thread A on CPU0 is blocked on a 
> resource held by thread B on CPU1. When we considered (1), it has the 
> advantage of ensuring that B will run on CPU0, unblocking A, if A (or B) 
> is still the best choice at the time it has been successfully moved from 
> CPU1 -> CPU0. That might not be true after the delay of moving the process.
>
> We decided to emphasize (2) because it was more interesting in our view 
> because it was cheaper and seemed no more complicated although its 
> complications are different than (1). Its complication is, of course, 
> that while we have worked out how to add the "avatar" of A to the set 
> considered by the GS hierarchy on CPU1, it depends on the scheduling 
> semantics as configured whether the avatar of A is chosen as "best" and 
> thus how long it will be until B runs long enough to release the 
> resource and unblock A on CPU1.
>
> We have always viewed that as complicated, but appropriately so to the 
> problem. It depends inherently on the semantics of threads A, B, and all 
> other threads on CPU1 that are ready to run, among whom the "best" is 
> chosen by the GS hierarchy. We think it is inherently the problem of the 
> scheduling configuration to take this trade-off into account.
>
> We have also thought being able to do both (1) and (2) is best, but 
> which is best to use in a given situation depends on the comparative 
> cost of (X) running B on CPU1 long enough to unblock A and (Y) the cost 
> of moving B from CPU1->CPU0 to run long enough to unblock A, and then 
> move it back from CPU0->CPU1 since its designed CPU assigned is on CPU1. 
> Our decision after many hours of discussion over many months has been 
> that the cost of (X) seems a lot more attractive than (Y).
>
> Part of our preference is that we are still working with semaphores as 
> resources. Since most critical sections are supposed to be "short",  
> then scheduling semantics taking the proxy execution periods into 
> account on the "foreign" CPUs would actually be easier/better than the 
> double thread movement.
>
> Both problems seem quite hard and I do not think I have yet "completely 
> figured it out". While the "mass migration" you say Dhaval is working on 
> would "reduce" the problem to the UP case, I think it would create more 
> complexity for analysis than it eliminates. A form of thrashing seems a 
> real danger. In this case, that threads would be moving from CPU to CPU 
> so much it would be a real drain on resources and constraint on system 
> performance. However, Dhaval my well understand the cost implications of 
> thread migration better than I do.
>
> The real core of the problem, it seems to me, is that the proxy 
> relationship among threads depends on what resources can be held by 
> them. I think that problem is "relatively easy" in the set of locks 
> associated with a multi-threaded application.
>
> When the resources causing blocking can be *any* lock in the kernel 
> associated with *any* system service that might be used by *any* thread 
> is is complicated enough to make my brain hurt. However, we thing the GS 
> framework makes it relatively easy, perhaps that would be better said as 
> "as easy as it can be", to implement any combination of thread migration 
> and avatars desired by a given scheduling semantics.
>
> In that sense Noah and I feel that GS is a "complete" framework in that 
> it is possible to configure any semantics desired as easily as it can be 
> done by any framework. Obviously that does not resolve the question of 
> what semantics it is best to desire for a given system which remains 
> quite complicated and highly dependent on the specific application 
> semantics.
>
> Noah and I thought the relatively low cost of creating the avatar was 
> quite attractive, and so we decided on a GS configuration using it to 
> experiment with in specifying the scheduling semantics. The first two 
> approaches we want to experiment with are (*) to view the composite 
> scheduling hierarchy for all CPUs as a whole, and let the avatar of A 
> take its chances on CPU1, and (**) to view resolution of blocking as 
> most important system wide, so we have the avatar viewed as "best" long 
> enough for its proxy to release the resource.
>
> The bottom line, in out view, is that no single semantics will be viewed 
> as either "best" or even acceptable for all applications as is the case 
> with schedulers, so we wanted to emphasize configurability.
>
> We have performed basic tests showing the avatars can be chosen and 
> resolve the blocking relationship. More complex tests await the 
> completion of our port of GS and the other KUSP subsystems to 2.6.29.
>
> Doug
>
> Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>   
>> On Fri, 2009-07-10 at 23:50 +0200, Henrik Austad wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> Hi all!
>>>
>>> This is a proposal for a global [1], deadline driven scheduler for
>>> real-time tasks in the Linux kernel. I thought I should send out an RFC
>>>       
> to
>   
>>> gather some feedback instead of wildy hack away at it.
>>>
>>> This proposed scheduler is a modified MLLF (modified Least Laxity First)
>>> called Earliest Failure First (EFF) as it orders tasks according to when
>>> they will miss their deadlines, not when the actual deadline is.
>>>     
>>>       
>> <snip>
>>
>> Everybody agrees we want a deadline scheduler, we'll probably put a user
>> interface into -rt shortly which should work for all the involved
>> research groups so that we can share tests and have better comparisons.
>>
>> The only thing (aside from an utter lack of time to work on things
>> recently) that has been holding us back is a proper solution to the
>> priority inversion issue.
>>
>> I haven't fully read through the proposed algorithm below, and left it
>> in place for the new people on CC.
>>
>> As already mentioned on IRC, the fact that you push the work to the last
>> possible moment indicates that this algorithm will utterly fall apart on
>> overload and would thus be unsuited for soft-rt loads, but I guess we
>> could implement things like EDF-fm and keep this as a hard-rt class.
>>
>>   
>>     
>>> === Notation ===
>>>
>>> - Take a set of tasks with corresponding attributes.  This set and their
>>>   attributes are called the schedule, 'S' and contains *all* tasks for
>>>   the given scheduling class (i.e. all EFF-tasks).
>>>
>>> - Consider a multi-core system with 'm' processors.
>>>
>>> - Let the i'th task in the schedule be denoted tau_i. [3]
>>>
>>> - Each task will run in intervals, each 'round' is called a job. A task
>>>   consists of an infinite sequence of jobs. The k'th job of tau_i is
>>>   called tau_{i,k}
>>>
>>> - Each task has a set of (relative) attributes supplied when the task is
>>>   inserted into the scheduler (passed via syscall)
>>>   * Period T_i
>>>   * Deadline D_i
>>>   * WCET C_i
>>>
>>> - Each job (tau_{i,k}) has absolute attributes (computed from the
>>>       
> relative
>   
>>>   tasks-attributes coupled with physical time).
>>>   * Release-time r_{i,k}
>>>   * Deadline d_{i,k}
>>>   * Allocated time so for a job, C_a(t, tau_{i,k})
>>>     When C_a equals WCET, the jobs budget is exhausted and it should
>>>     start a new cycle. This is tested (see below) by the scheduler.
>>>   * Remaining time for the job, C_r(t, tau_{i,nk})
>>>
>>> - The acceptance function for EFF screens new tasks on their expected
>>>   utilization. Depending on the mode and implementation, it can be based
>>>   on the period, or on the deadline. The latter will cause firmer
>>>   restraints, but may lead to wasted resources.
>>>
>>> 	U = C_i / T_i		For SRT (bounded deadline tardiness)
>>> 	U = C_i / D_i		For HRT
>>>
>>> - A relative measure, time to failure, ttf, indicates how much time is
>>>   left before a job must be scheduled to run in order to avoid a
>>>   deadline-miss. This will decrease as time progresses and the job is
>>>   not granted CPU time. For tasks currently running on a CPU, this value
>>>   will be constant.
>>>
>>> 	Take a job with a WCET of 10ms, it has been allowed to run for 4
>>> 	ms so far. The deadline is 8 ms away. Then the job must be
>>> 	scheduled to run within the next 4 ms, otherwise it will not be
>>> 	able to finish in time.
>>>
>>> - An absolute value, time of failure (tof) can also be computed in a
>>>   static manner. For tasks not running on a CPU, the allocated time is
>>>   static. That means you can take the absolute deadline, subtract the
>>>   allocated time and you have the absolute point in time when a given
>>>   job will fail to meet its deadline.
>>>
>>> === Outline of scheduler ===
>>>
>>> Store tasks in 2 queues. One of size m, containing all the tasks
>>> currently running on the CPUs (queue R). The other will hold all
>>> currently active tasks waiting to execute (queue W).
>>>
>>> queue R is sorted based on ttf (time to failure, the relative time left
>>> until a task will miss it's deadline). As the tasks approaches the
>>> absolute time of failure at the same rate C_a increases, ttf is
>>> constant. R is only a 'map' of tasks to the CPUs. Position 0 in R
>>> (i.e. smallest ttf) does not result in CPU#0, as the position->CPU will
>>> be quite fluent.
>>>
>>> queue W is sorted based on absolute time of failure (tof). Since this is
>>> a fixed point in time, and the tasks in W are not running (C_a is
>>> unchanged), this value is constant.
>>>
>>> When a task is scheduled to run, a timer is set at the point in time
>>> where it has exhausted it's budget (t_now + WCET - C_a). This is to
>>> ensure that a runaway task does not grab the CPU.
>>>
>>> When a new task arrives, it is handled according the following rules:
>>> - The system has one or more CPUs not running EFF-tasks. Pick any of the
>>>   free CPUs and assign the new job there. Set a timer to
>>>
>>> - All CPUs are busy, the new task has greater time to failure than the
>>>   head of W. The task is inserted into W at the appropriate place.
>>>
>>> - All CPUs are busy and the new task has smaller time to failure than
>>>   the head of W. The new task is compared to the last task in Q. If time
>>>   to failure is larger than the task at the tail, it is added to the
>>>   head of W.
>>>
>>> - If all CPUs are busy, and time to failure is smaller than the tail of
>>>   Q, the new task is a candidate for insertion. At this point the tasks
>>>   must be compared to see if picking one or the other will cause a
>>>   deadline-miss. If both will miss the deadline if the other is
>>>   scheduled, keep the existing running and place the new at the head of
>>>   W (as you will have a deadline-miss anyway unless the the task is
>>>   picked up by another CPU soon).
>>>
>>> - A task running on a CPU with ttf=0 should *never* be preempted with
>>>   another task. If all tasks in R have ttf=0, and a newly arrived task
>>>   has ttf=0, a deadline-miss is inevitable and switching tasks will only
>>>   waste resources.
>>>
>>> When a task in R finish (or is stopped due to the timer-limit), it is
>>> removed from R, and the head of W is added to R, inserted at the
>>> appropriate place.
>>>
>>> It has been some discussion lately (in particular on #linux-rt) about
>>> the bandwidth inheritance (BWI) and proxy execution protocol (PEP). It
>>> should be possible to extend EFF to handle both. As a side note, if
>>> anyone has some good information about PEP, I'd like a copy :)
>>>
>>> Based on this, I think the utilization can be set as high as M
>>> (i.e. full utilization of all CPUs), but the jitter can probably be
>>> quite bad, so for jitter-sensitive tasks, a short period/deadline should
>>> be used.
>>>
>>> There are still some issues left to solve, for instance how to best
>>> handle sporadic tasks, and whether or not deadline-miss should be allow,
>>> or just 'bounded deadline tardiness'. Either way, EFF should be able to
>>> handle it. Then, there are problems concerning blocking of tasks. One
>>> solution would be BWI or PEP, but I have not had the time to read
>>> properly through those, but from what I've gathered a combination of BWI
>>> and PEP looks promising (anyone with good info about BWI and PEP - feel
>>> free to share! (-: ).
>>>     
>>>       
>> Our SSSUP friends have a BWI paper here:
>>
>>   http://retis.sssup.it/~tommaso/publications/OSPERT-2008.pdf
>>
>> The thing we call PEP was christened so by Douglas Niehaus (on CC), I'm
>> not sure if he has any papers on it.
>>
>> Also, when talking about it at OSPERT last week Ted Baker (also on CC)
>> said it reminded him of something else of which I seem to have forgotten
>> the name.
>>
>> Thing is, both BWI and PEP seems to work brilliantly on Uni-Processor
>> but SMP leaves things to be desired. Dhaval is currently working on a
>> PEP implementation that will migrate all the blocked tasks to the
>> owner's cpu, basically reducing it to the UP problem.
>>
>>   
>>     
>>> 1) Before you freeze at 'global' and get all caught up on "This won't
>>>    ever scale to X", or "He will be haunted by Y" - I do not want to
>>>    extend a global algorithm to 2000 cores. I would like to scale to a
>>>    single *chip* and then we can worry about 2-way and 4-way systems
>>>    later. For the record, I've donned my asbestos suit anyway.
>>>     
>>>       
>> My preferred approach here is to find a distributed algorithm that
>> converges to the global one.
>>
>>   
>>     
>>> 2) http://austad.us/kernel/thesis_henrikau.pdf
>>>
>>> 3) Anyone want to include LaTeX-notation into an email-rfc?
>>>     
>>>       
>> Not unheard of ;-)
>>
>>   
>>     
>
>   
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