linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH] copy over oom

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Message-Id: <20090728120822.D80C.A69D9226@jp.fujitsu.com>
Date:	Tue, 28 Jul 2009 15:09:13 +0900 (JST)
From:	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@...fujitsu.com>
To:	David Rientjes <rientjes@...gle.com>
Cc:	kosaki.motohiro@...fujitsu.com, Paul Menage <menage@...gle.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@...hat.com>, linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mel@....ul.ie>, Nick Piggin <npiggin@...e.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] copy over oom_adj value at fork time

> On Fri, 24 Jul 2009, KOSAKI Motohiro wrote:
> 
> > > Simply reverting it isn't an option unless you fix the underlying livelock 
> > > problem that my patches originally addressed and no viable alternative has 
> > > been proposed.
> > 
> > I disagree.
> > I agree with old behavior have one bug. but it doesn't provide any regression
> > allowing reason although old behavior is totally suck.
> > 
> 
> I don't understand most of this, sorry.  I think what you're saying is 
> that you don't fix one bug by introducing another.
> 
> The "regression" here is that changing /proc/pid/oom_adj for a vfork'd 
> child would change the oom_adj value of the parent as well.  That is 
> actually the behavior that leads to the livelock where the oom killer 
> would repeatedly select a child and it could not be killed because it 
> shares memory with an OOM_DISABLE parent.  That would cause the oom killer 
> to be called by the page allocator infinitely without ever freeing memory.

Actually, if we assume the administrator is really stupid, he can mark
all processes as OOM_DISABLE. it makes livelock anyway.
ITOH, we never seen this livelock on vfork()ed application.

More important thing is: Documentation/filesysmtem/proc/txt says
oom_adj is process property and vfork()ed parent and child are definitelly
another process.





> That behavior is unacceptable, so I disagree that reverting my patches is 
> an option.
> 
> I suggested a workaround by introducing /proc/pid/oom_adj_child which 
> applications would need to use instead of oom_adj after vfork() and prior 
> to execve() (if such open source applications exist in the first place).
> 
> > Not solve. "please rewrite your application" isn't good solution.
> > 
> 
> They'd need to use the new interface because the old behavior would lead 
> to a kernel livelock because it allowed tasks sharing memory to be 
> oom disabled and enabled at the same time.  That seems like a very good 
> reason to fix the application, otherwise it may livelock the kernel if its 
> ooms before exec.  The behavior you're defending is the SOURCE of the 
> livelock.
> 
> > Hm...
> > This is just idea, Does moving oom_adj from mm_struct to signal_struct solve
> > this problem?
> > I mean vfork() share mm_struct, but doesn't share signal_struct.
> > 
> 
> oom_adj values are not a characteristic of signals, they are a trait of 
> memory.  They specify how the oom killer should favor (or disable) amounts 
> of memory in oom conditions.

That's ok. nobody think struct signal is signal related structure. almost member are
signal unrelated already.



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