Message-ID: <f24d23310907310210w4406f596nc5b85a7ff41ee40c@mail.gmail.com>
Date:	Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:40:03 +0530
From:	debian developer <debiandev@...il.com>
To:	Daniel Phillips <phillips@...nq.net>,
	OGAWA Hirofumi <hirofumi@...l.parknet.co.jp>
Cc:	tux3@...3.org, LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>, corbet@....net
Subject: Re: [Tux3] Current Activities?

Hi Daniel,

On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Daniel Phillips<phillips@...nq.net> wrote:
> On Wednesday 29 April 2009, t3right.thebashar@...y.net wrote:
>> Hi Daniel,
>>
>> I want to apologize upfront if I sound like one of those "when will it
>> be done" questions that are best left unasked with most open source
>> projects.  Actually, I'm just really curious about what's been going
>> on lately.  I am somewhat embarrassed to admit that I became
>> fascinated with tux3's development since the first time it was
>> featured in an article on kerneltrap.  I've greatly enjoyed reading
>> your design notes and dialog with the btrfs team.  I had no naive
>> hopes that tux3 would get integrated into the linux kernel
>> immediately, but I've been extremely surprised at the loss of public
>> progress notes from you after the initial review request back and
>> forth died off.  In fact it seems like there's only been 7 postings
>> from you in the month since the last kernel merge related thread.
>>
>> I've really missed the public view into tux3's progress.  If it's not
>> too presumptuous, how are you? How's tux3 coming along?  What part of
>> the kernel port is taking the bulk of the work?  What new and
>> interesting challenges have you been wrestling with?
>
> Actually, I have been busy with real life for the last couple
> of months.  An interesting challenge is how I can keep up the
> previous development without any corporate support.  Zero.  Zip.
> Nada.  There has been exactly zero support from the usual
> suspects, who all have their own good reasons no doubt, which
> do not necessarily have much to do with the good of the Linux
> kernel or the Linux community.
>
> That challenge is being addressed.  Addressing it takes time and
> energy.  Development progress continues, though perhaps not as
> visible as it was earlier.  Being that visible takes a lot of time.
> The Tux3 watcher community could help a lot there.  For example,
> there is a large volume of technical material posted by me and
> others, that needs to be organized into a coherent form.  I simply
> don't have time to do that myself.  There are a bunch of projects
> like that.
>
> I also need more response to my occasional calls for volunteers.
> How many list readers have downloaded the code and run it?  You
> can in fact boot to a root fileystem with it.  How many besides
> me and Hirofumi have done that?
>
> Anyway, Andrew Morton was right, we should have merged into
> mainline as soon as Tux3 was booting as root.  That would have
> taken a big load off me.  Instead, somebody posted to LKML and
> called for atomic commit as a precondition for merging.  Sounds
> like a good idea, sounds logical.  But actually, in open source
> it is counter productive, it just puts a bigger load on me, a
> limited resource.  We should have merged first, then got the
> logging and replay working.  In fact, we probably should still do
> that.  I will say this now: if we are invited to merge in the
> next major release, or in -mm or whatever, we will happily do it.
> If we are not invited to merge, nobody has any cause to complain
> about progress slowing down.
>
> Anyway, now would be a good time to have a discussion here on the
> Tux3 list about what can be done to get more helping hands
> involved in the heavy lifting.
>

A list of beginner projects with instructions on how to get off would
be helpful.
Beginners need to be motivated to hang around long enough to become core
developers. I am sure you will not find many core developers who are willing to
find time to hack on another project, almost everyone has their hands full.

Other thing is the need to talk to organizations. You could have
easily listed tux3
for Google Summer of Code 2009. It would have brought attention and resources
for the project. I am sure you will find financing as you are well
recognized in your
domain. I am including LKML so that others will hopefully notice and respond.

May be jonathan can help in advertising the need for developers better
through LWN.

This can be easily done by one of us if there is a wiki. Also a wiki helps us to
collate things which we have learned till now.


So two things:

1. Put up a wiki (important)
2. List of starter projects.

I see the dedup feature is partially complete. May be it can be completed and
included in the kernel source of tux3. We need more projects like this.

Hope to see some activity soon. Do not let the project die.

Thanks,
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