linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 1/4] oom: move oom_adj to signal

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Message-Id: <20090805154759.5BC2.A69D9226@jp.fujitsu.com>
Date:	Wed,  5 Aug 2009 15:53:31 +0900 (JST)
From:	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@...fujitsu.com>
To:	Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@...il.com>
Cc:	kosaki.motohiro@...fujitsu.com,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@...fujitsu.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	Paul Menage <menage@...gle.com>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@...gle.com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@...hat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@...hat.com>, linux-mm <linux-mm@...ck.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/4] oom: move oom_adj to signal_struct

> On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 15:03:23 +0900
> KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@...fujitsu.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 5 Aug 2009 14:55:16 +0900
> > Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@...il.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Wed,  5 Aug 2009 11:51:31 +0900 (JST)
> > > KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@...fujitsu.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > On Wed,  5 Aug 2009 11:29:34 +0900 (JST)
> > > > > KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@...fujitsu.com> wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Hi
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Hi, Kosaki. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I am so late to invole this thread. 
> > > > > > > But let me have a question. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > What's advantage of placing oom_adj in singal rather than task ?
> > > > > > > I mean task->oom_adj and task->signal->oom_adj ?
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > I am sorry if you already discussed it at last threads. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Not sorry. that's very good question.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I'm trying to explain the detailed intention of commit 2ff05b2b4eac
> > > > > > (move oom_adj to mm_struct).
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > In 2.6.30, OOM logic callflow is here.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > __out_of_memory
> > > > > > 	select_bad_process		for each task
> > > > > > 		badness			calculate badness of one task
> > > > > > 	oom_kill_process		search child
> > > > > > 		oom_kill_task		kill target task and mm shared tasks with it
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > example, process-A have two thread, thread-A and thread-B and it 
> > > > > > have very fat memory.
> > > > > > And, each thread have following likes oom property.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 	thread-A: oom_adj = OOM_DISABLE, oom_score = 0
> > > > > > 	thread-B: oom_adj = 0,           oom_score = very-high
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Then, select_bad_process() select thread-B, but oom_kill_task refuse
> > > > > > kill the task because thread-A have OOM_DISABLE.
> > > > > > __out_of_memory() call select_bad_process() again. but select_bad_process()
> > > > > > select the same task. It mean kernel fall in the livelock.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The fact is, select_bad_process() must select killable task. otherwise
> > > > > > OOM logic go into livelock.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Is this enough explanation? thanks.
> > > > > > 
> > > 
> > > The problem resulted from David patch.
> > > It can solve live lock problem but make a new problem like vfork problem. 
> > > I think both can be solved by different approach. 
> > > 
> > > It's just RFC. 
> > > 
> > > If some process is selected by OOM killer but it have a child of OOM immune,
> > > We just decrease point of process. It can affect selection of bad process. 
> > > After some trial, at last bad score is drastically low and another process is 
> > > selected by OOM killer. So I think Live lock don't happen. 
> > > 
> > > New variable adding in task struct is rather high cost. 
> > > But i think we can union it with oomkilladj 
> > > since oomkilladj is used to present just -17 ~ 15. 
> > > 
> > > What do you think about this approach ?
> > > 
> > keeping this in "task" struct is troublesome.
> > It may not livelock but near-to-livelock state, in bad case.
> 
> Hmm. I can't understand why it is troublesome. 
> I think it's related to moving oom_adj to singal_struct. 
> Unfortunately, I can't understand why we have to put oom_adj 
> in singal_struct?
> 
> That's why I have a question to Kosaki a while ago. 
> I can't understand it still. :-(
> 
> Could you elaborate it ?

Maybe, It's because my explanation is still poor. sorry.
Please give me one more chance.

In my previous mail, I explained select_bad_process() must not
unkillable task, is this ok?
IOW, if all thread have the same oom_adj, the issue gone.

signal_struct is shared all thread in the process. then, the issue gone.


btw, signal_struct is slightly bad name. currently it is used for
process information and almost its member is not signal related.
should we rename this?

> 
> > After applying Kosaki's , oom_kill will use
> > "for_each_process()" instead of "do_each_thread", I think it's a way to go.
> 
> I didn't review kosaki's approach entirely. 
> After reviewing, let's discuss it, again. 
> 
> > But, yes, your "scale_down" idea itself is interesitng.
> > Then, hmm, merging two of yours ?
> 
> If it is possible, I will do so. 
> 
> Thnaks for good comment, kame.




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