linux-kernel - Re: linux-arm-kernel useless for development (was Re: Your message to Linux-arm-kernel awaits moderator approval)

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Message-ID: <4A7AE005.8000205@xenontk.org>
Date:	Thu, 06 Aug 2009 19:22:05 +0530
From:	David John <davidjon@...ontk.org>
To:	Russell King <rmk+lkml@....linux.org.uk>
CC:	Joe Perches <joe@...ches.com>, Pavel Machek <pavel@....cz>,
	Erik Mouw <mouw@...linux.org>,
	kernel list <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: linux-arm-kernel useless for development (was Re: Your message
 to Linux-arm-kernel awaits moderator approval)

On 08/06/2009 07:03 PM, Russell King wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 06, 2009 at 06:02:10AM -0700, Joe Perches wrote:
>> On Thu, 2009-08-06 at 13:40 +0100, Russell King wrote:
>>> And no, moving the list outside the EU domain doesn't relieve any
>>> of the lawful issues unless (as I understand the law) someone outside
>>> the EU were to run the list.  And people would have to independently
>>> subscribe to it - I wouldn't be able to export the existing subscriber
>>> list outside the EU.
>> I suspect a vger based ARM list would not require you to "run" it.
>>
>> Perhaps you overestimate the value of the arm subscriber database
>> as well as the work involved to subscribe to a list.
>>
>> Adding a "click this to subscribe to the new list" to the mailing
>> list trailer would work reasonably well.
> 
> There is already a vger based ARM list.  I see no signs of people
> moving over to it.  I summise that is because most people don't
> have a problem, and most people are happy with the existing lists
> as they stand.  Could it be that it's only a minority who are
> having issues.  I don't know.
> 
> I also believe that majordomo is still stuck in the dark ages wrt
> subscribing - having to have a carefully composed email message to
> subscribe or unsubscribe.  Having mailman's web interface took a
> lot of work off of my shoulders when we moved the ARM lists off
> of vger.rutgers.edu all those years back having to educate people
> how to deal with majordomo.

That may be true, but the key point here is that the majordomo list is open.
Which means that say if I am an admin and I happen to notice a bug, I can send 
an email to lkml knowing that someone more knowledgeable will be able to pick it up.
If on the other hand I have to subscribe to the list and then my mail has to be
moderator approved (which might take a few days considering the moderator's 
workload), I'm more likely to just let it slip and hope that it gets fixed in
the next release...

> 
> Let's not forget - as Pavel has yet again proven - if you have a
> problem with a mailing list, who do you talk to.  All the list
> admins?  Of course not!  You email rmk and/or mailing lists
> directly.
> 
>>> Now, people here can tell me I'm wrong, but they aren't in the legal
>>> profession...  Would you get a gardener to fix your gas boiler, or
>>> would you get a qualified and registered gas engineer in?
>> Perhaps not using the gas boiler is another option.
> 
> Maybe we should all go back to using coal fires then.  Oops, we moved
> away from that to cleaner burning gas because of the smog problems
> caused by burning dirty fuels.
> 

Regards,
David.
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