linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH 0/3] cpu: idle state framework for offline CPUs.

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Message-ID: <20090817144058.GA5126@in.ibm.com>
Date:	Mon, 17 Aug 2009 20:10:58 +0530
From:	Dipankar Sarma <dipankar@...ibm.com>
To:	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@...llo.nl>
Cc:	balbir@...ux.vnet.ibm.com, Pavel Machek <pavel@....cz>,
	Len Brown <lenb@...nel.org>,
	"Pallipadi, Venkatesh" <venkatesh.pallipadi@...el.com>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@...k.pl>,
	"Li, Shaohua" <shaohua.li@...el.com>,
	Gautham R Shenoy <ego@...ibm.com>,
	Joel Schopp <jschopp@...tin.ibm.com>,
	"Brown, Len" <len.brown@...el.com>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@...nel.crashing.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>,
	Vaidyanathan Srinivasan <svaidy@...ux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@...ibm.com>,
	"linuxppc-dev@...ts.ozlabs.org" <linuxppc-dev@...ts.ozlabs.org>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3] cpu: idle state framework for offline CPUs.

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 01:28:15PM +0530, Dipankar Sarma wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 09:15:57AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Mon, 2009-08-17 at 11:54 +0530, Dipankar Sarma wrote:
> > > For most parts, we do. The guest kernel doesn't manage the offline
> > > CPU state. That is typically done by the hypervisor. However, offline
> > > operation as defined now always result in a VM resize in some hypervisor
> > > systems (like pseries) - it would be convenient to have a non-resize
> > > offline operation which lets the guest cede the cpu to hypervisor
> > > with the hint that the VM shouldn't be resized and the guest needs the guarantee
> > > to get the cpu back any time. The hypervisor can do whatever it wants
> > > with the ceded CPU including putting it in a low power state, but
> > > not change the physical cpu shares of the VM. The pseries hypervisor,
> > > for example, clearly distinguishes between the two - "rtas-stop-self" call
> > > to resize VM vs. H_CEDE hypercall with a hint. What I am suggesting
> > > is that we allow this with an extension to existing interfaces because it 
> > > makes sense to allow sort of "hibernation" of the cpus without changing any
> > > configuration of the VMs.
> > 
> > >From my POV the thing you call cede is the only sane thing to do for a
> > guest. Let the hypervisor management interface deal with resizing guests
> > if and when that's needed.
> 
> That is more or less how it currently works - atleast for pseries hypervisor. 
> The current "offline" operation with "rtas-stop-self" call I mentioned
> earlier is initiated by the hypervisor management interfaces/tool in
> pseries system. This wakes up a guest system tool that echoes "1"
> to the offline file resulting in the configuration change.

Should have said - echoes "0" to the online file. 

You don't necessarily need this in the guest Linux as long as there is
a way for hypervisor tools to internally move Linux tasks/interrupts
from a vcpu - async event handled by the kernel, for example.
But I think it is too late for that - the interface has long been
exported.


> The OS involvement is necessary to evacuate tasks/interrupts
> from the released CPU. We don't really want to initiate this from guests.
> 
> > Thing is, you don't want a guest to be able to influence the amount of
> > cpu shares attributed to it. You want that in explicit control of
> > whomever manages the hypervisor.
> 
> Agreed. But given a fixed cpu share by the hypervisor management tools,
> we would like to be able to cede cpus to hypervisor leaving the hypervisor
> configuration intact. This, we don't have at the moment and want to just
> extend the current interface for this.
> 
> Thanks
> Dipankar
> 
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