Date:	Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:03:38 +0900
From:	Minchan Kim <minchan.kim@...il.com>
To:	Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@...el.com>
Cc:	Lee Schermerhorn <lee.schermerhorn@...com>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@...hat.com>,
	Jeff Dike <jdike@...toit.com>, Avi Kivity <avi@...hat.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@...hat.com>,
	"Yu, Wilfred" <wilfred.yu@...el.com>,
	"Kleen, Andi" <andi.kleen@...el.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hugh.dickins@...cali.co.uk>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@...ux-foundation.org>,
	KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@...fujitsu.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mel@....ul.ie>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	linux-mm <linux-mm@...ck.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] respect the referenced bit of KVM guest pages?

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Wu Fengguang<fengguang.wu@...el.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 07:00:48PM +0800, Minchan Kim wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Wu Fengguang<fengguang.wu@...el.com> wrote:
>> > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 05:52:47PM +0800, Minchan Kim wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:31:19 +0800
>> >> Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@...el.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 12:17:34PM +0800, Minchan Kim wrote:
>> >> > > On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:34:38 +0800
>> >> > > Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@...el.com> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > Minchan,
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 10:33:54PM +0800, Minchan Kim wrote:
>> >> > > > > On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 8:29 PM, Wu Fengguang<fengguang.wu@...el.com> wrote:
>> >> > > > > > On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 01:15:02PM +0800, Wu Fengguang wrote:
>> >> > > > > >> On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 11:53:00AM +0800, Rik van Riel wrote:
>> >> > > > > >> > Wu Fengguang wrote:
>> >> > > > > >> > > On Fri, Aug 07, 2009 at 05:09:55AM +0800, Jeff Dike wrote:
>> >> > > > > >> > >> Side question -
>> >> > > > > >> > >>  Is there a good reason for this to be in shrink_active_list()
>> >> > > > > >> > >> as opposed to __isolate_lru_page?
>> >> > > > > >> > >>
>> >> > > > > >> > >>          if (unlikely(!page_evictable(page, NULL))) {
>> >> > > > > >> > >>                  putback_lru_page(page);
>> >> > > > > >> > >>                  continue;
>> >> > > > > >> > >>          }
>> >> > > > > >> > >>
>> >> > > > > >> > >> Maybe we want to minimize the amount of code under the lru lock or
>> >> > > > > >> > >> avoid duplicate logic in the isolate_page functions.
>> >> > > > > >> > >
>> >> > > > > >> > > I guess the quick test means to avoid the expensive page_referenced()
>> >> > > > > >> > > call that follows it. But that should be mostly one shot cost - the
>> >> > > > > >> > > unevictable pages are unlikely to cycle in active/inactive list again
>> >> > > > > >> > > and again.
>> >> > > > > >> >
>> >> > > > > >> > Please read what putback_lru_page does.
>> >> > > > > >> >
>> >> > > > > >> > It moves the page onto the unevictable list, so that
>> >> > > > > >> > it will not end up in this scan again.
>> >> > > > > >>
>> >> > > > > >> Yes it does. I said 'mostly' because there is a small hole that an
>> >> > > > > >> unevictable page may be scanned but still not moved to unevictable
>> >> > > > > >> list: when a page is mapped in two places, the first pte has the
>> >> > > > > >> referenced bit set, the _second_ VMA has VM_LOCKED bit set, then
>> >> > > > > >> page_referenced() will return 1 and shrink_page_list() will move it
>> >> > > > > >> into active list instead of unevictable list. Shall we fix this rare
>> >> > > > > >> case?
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > I think it's not a big deal.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Maybe, otherwise I should bring up this issue long time before :)
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > > As you mentioned, it's rare case so there would be few pages in active
>> >> > > > > list instead of unevictable list.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Yes.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > > When next time to scan comes, we can try to move the pages into
>> >> > > > > unevictable list, again.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Will PG_mlocked be set by then? Otherwise the situation is not likely
>> >> > > > to change and the VM_LOCKED pages may circulate in active/inactive
>> >> > > > list for countless times.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > PG_mlocked is not important in that case.
>> >> > > Important thing is VM_LOCKED vma.
>> >> > > I think below annotaion can help you to understand my point. :)
>> >> >
>> >> > Hmm, it looks like pages under VM_LOCKED vma is guaranteed to have
>> >> > PG_mlocked set, and so will be caught by page_evictable(). Is it?
>> >>
>> >> No. I am sorry for making my point not clear.
>> >> I meant following as.
>> >> When the next time to scan,
>> >>
>> >> shrink_page_list
>> >  ->
>> >                referenced = page_referenced(page, 1,
>> >                                                sc->mem_cgroup, &vm_flags);
>> >                /* In active use or really unfreeable?  Activate it. */
>> >                if (sc->order <= PAGE_ALLOC_COSTLY_ORDER &&
>> >                                        referenced && page_mapping_inuse(page))
>> >                        goto activate_locked;
>> >
>> >> -> try_to_unmap
>> >     ~~~~~~~~~~~~ this line won't be reached if page is found to be
>> >     referenced in the above lines?
>>
>> Indeed! In fact, I was worry about that.
>> It looks after live lock problem.
>> But I think  it's very small race window so  there isn't any report until now.
>> Let's Cced Lee.
>>
>> If we have to fix it, how about this ?
>> This version  has small overhead than yours since
>> there is less shrink_page_list call than page_referenced.
>
> Yeah, it looks better. However I still wonder if (VM_LOCKED && !PG_mlocked)
> is possible and somehow persistent. Does anyone have the answer? Thanks!

I think it's possible.
munlock_vma_page pre-clears PG_mlocked of page.
And then if isolate_lru_page fail, the page have no PG_mlocked and vma which
have VM_LOCKED.

As munlock_vma_page's annotation said, we hope the page will be rescued by
try_to_unmap. But As you pointed out, if the page have PG_referenced, it can't
reach try_to_unmap so that it will go into the active list.

What are others' opinion ?

> Thanks,
> Fengguang



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Kind regards,
Minchan Kim
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