linux-kernel - Re: [PATCH V6 1/2] introduce ALS sysfs class

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Date:	Thu, 03 Sep 2009 10:35:39 +0800
From:	Zhang Rui <rui.zhang@...el.com>
To:	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@...k.pl>
Cc:	Pavel Machek <pavel@....cz>, Len Brown <lenb@...nel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	linux-acpi <linux-acpi@...r.kernel.org>, Greg KH <greg@...ah.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH V6 1/2] introduce ALS sysfs class

On Thu, 2009-09-03 at 08:16 +0800, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> On Wednesday 02 September 2009, Pavel Machek wrote:
> > On Wed 2009-09-02 23:46:11, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > > On Wednesday 02 September 2009, Pavel Machek wrote:
> > > > On Wed 2009-09-02 23:12:58, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday 01 September 2009, Pavel Machek wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > IMO, 0 and -1 are not errors. they just suggest that the Ambient Light
> > > > > > > > > illuminance is beyond the device support range, while the device is
> > > > > > > > > still working normally.
> > > > > > > > > what about exporting these values (0 and -1) to user space directly?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Returning 0 for "below" range and 99999999 for "above" range would be
> > > > > > > > nice, yes. 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Why not 0 and "all ones" or 0 and -1.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Is there anything wrong with -1 in particular?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Normal people expect -1 to be less than 123, and output is in ascii. If
> > > > > > you make it ((unsigned) ~0) I guess that becomes acceptable.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Well, "-1" is a perfectly valid alphanumerical representation of an int.
> > > > > I don't really see the problem with the "-", unless we're talking about some
> > > > > broken user space, that is.
> > > > 
> > > > No. But if you see illumination value of -1 lumen, do you really
> > > > expect a *lot* of light?
> > > 
> > > Not really.  I'd rather intrepret it as "the number is not to be trusted",
> > > which is what it means.
> > > 
> > > The problem with "all ones" is that it depends on the size of the underlying
> > > data type, which is not nice.  Also, if you want that to be a "big number",
> > > there's no clear rule to tell what the number should actually be.
> > > 
> > > Anyway, this really is a matter of definition.  If we document the attribute
> > > to read as "-1" in specific circumstances, the user space will have to take
> > > that into account.
> > 
> > Well, I'd prefer to specify -1 as "underflow" and 1000000000 as
> > "overflow". Any numbers should work, but ... lets make the interface
> > logical if we can.
> 
> The interface is already defined, isn't it?  And we're now considering whether
> or not to pass the values defined by the interface directly to the user space,
> which I think is the right thing to do, because we have no reason _whatsoever_
> to change them to anything else.
> 
I agree.
For environment illuminance, "-1" is surely an invalid value.
IMO, users would rather look for what it actually means than interpret
it to a value lower than 0.

thanks,
rui


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