Message-ID: <20090921151242.GA6333@localhost>
Date:	Mon, 21 Sep 2009 23:12:42 +0800
From:	Wu Fengguang <fengguang.wu@...el.com>
To:	Jan Kara <jack@...e.cz>
Cc:	Theodore Tso <tytso@....edu>, Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@...cle.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@...radead.org>,
	"linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@...r.kernel.org>,
	"chris.mason@...cle.com" <chris.mason@...cle.com>,
	"akpm@...ux-foundation.org" <akpm@...ux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/7] Per-bdi writeback flusher threads v20

On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 08:42:51PM +0800, Jan Kara wrote:
> On Mon 21-09-09 11:04:02, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 21, 2009 at 03:00:06AM +0800, Jan Kara wrote:
> > > On Sat 19-09-09 23:03:51, Wu Fengguang wrote:
> ...
> > >   Fenguang, could we maybe write down how the logic should look like
> > > and then look at the code and modify it as needed to fit the logic?
> > > Because I couldn't find a compact description of the logic anywhere
> > > in the code.
> > 
> > Good idea. It makes sense to write something down in Documentation/
> > or embedded as code comments.
>   Yes, that would be useful. I'd probably vote for comments in the code.

OK.

> > >   Here is how I'd imaging the writeout logic should work:
> > > We would have just two lists - b_dirty and b_more_io. Both would be
> > > ordered by dirtied_when.
> > 
> > Andrew has a very good description for the dirty/io/more_io queues:
> > 
> > http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/2/7/5
> > 
> > | So the protocol would be:
> > |
> > | s_io: contains expired and non-expired dirty inodes, with expired ones at
> > | the head.  Unexpired ones (at least) are in time order.
> > |
> > | s_more_io: contains dirty expired inodes which haven't been fully written. 
> > | Ordering doesn't matter (unless someone goes and changes
> > | dirty_expire_centisecs - but as long as we don't do anything really bad in
> > | response to this we'll be OK).
> > |
> > | s_dirty: contains expired and non-expired dirty inodes.  The non-expired
> > | ones are in time-of-dirtying order.
> > 
> > Since then s_io was changed to hold only _expired_ dirty inodes at the
> > beginning of a full scan. It serves as a bounded set of dirty inodes.
> > So that when finished a full scan of it, the writeback can go on to
> > the next superblock, and old dirty files' writeback won't be delayed
> > infinitely by poring in newly dirty files.
> > 
> > It seems that the boundary could also be provided by some
> > older_than_this timestamp. So removal of b_io is possible
> > at least on this purpose.
> > 
> > >   A thread doing WB_SYNC_ALL writeback will just walk the list and cleanup
> > > everything (we should be resistant against livelocks because we stop at
> > > inode which has been dirtied after the sync has started).
> > 
> > Yes, that would mean
> > 
> > - older_than_this=now     for WB_SYNC_ALL
> > - older_than_this=now-30s for WB_SYNC_NONE
>   Exactly.
> 
> > >   A thread doing WB_SYNC_NONE writeback will start walking the list. If the
> > > inode has I_SYNC set, it puts it on b_more_io. Otherwise it takes I_SYNC
> > > and writes as much as it finds necessary from the first inode. If it
> > > stopped before it wrote everything, it puts the inode at the end of
> > > b_more_io.
> > 
> > Agreed. The current code is doing that, and it is reasonably easy to
> > reuse the code path for WB_SYNC_NONE/WB_SYNC_ALL?
>   I'm not sure we do exactly that. The I_SYNC part is fine. But looking at
> the code in writeback_single_inode(), we put inode at b_more_io only if
> wbc->for_kupdate is true and wbc->nr_to_write is <= 0. Otherwise we put the
> inode at the tail of dirty list.

Ah yes. I actually have posted a patch to unify the !for_kupdate
and for_kupdate cases: http://patchwork.kernel.org/patch/46399/

For the (wbc->nr_to_write <= 0) case, we have to delay the inode for
some time because it somehow cannot be written for now, hence moving
back it to b_dirty. Otherwise could busy loop.

> > > If it wrote everything (writeback_index cycled or scanned the
> > > whole range) but inode is dirty, it puts the inode at the end of b_dirty
> > > and resets dirtied_when to the current time. Then it continues with the
> > > next inode.
> > 
> > Agreed. I think it makes sense to reset dirtied_when (thus delay 30s)
> > if an inode still has dirty pages when we have finished a full scan of
> > it, in order to
> > - prevent pointless writeback IO of overwritten pages
> > - somehow throttle IO for busy inodes
>   OK, but currently the logic is subtly different. It does:
> If the inode wasn't redirtied during writeback and still has dirty pages,
> queue somewhere (requeue_io or redirty_tail depending on other things).
> If the inode was redirtied, do redirty_tail.

Yup.

>   Probably, the current logic is safer in the sence that kupdate-style
> writeback cannot take forever when inode is permanently redirtied. In my
> proposed logic, kupdate writeback would run forever (which makes some
> sence as well but probably isn't really convenient).

Yes current code is safer. Run kupdate forever for an inodes being
busy overwritten is obviously undesirable behavior.

>   Also if we skip some pages (call redirty_page_for_writepage()) the inode
> will get redirtied as well and hence we'll put the inode at the back of
> dirty list and thus delaying further writeback by 30s. Again, this makes
> some sence (prevents busyloop waiting for a page to get prepared for a
> proper writeback) although I'm not sure it's always desirable. For now
> we should probably just document this somewhere.

Agreed. Again, current code is safe, but may be delaying too much.
I have a patch that adds another queue b_more_io_wait, which delays
the inode for a shorter 5s (or whatever). Could try that if 30s is
reported to be unacceptable in some real workloads.

> > >   kupdate style writeback stops scanning dirty list when dirtied_when is
> > > new enough. Then if b_more_io is nonempty, it splices it into the beginning
> > > of the dirty list and restarts.
> > 
> > Right.
>   But currently, we don't do the splicing. We just set more_io and return
> from writeback_inodes_wb(). Should that be changed?

Yes, in fact I changed that in the b_io removal patch, to do the
splice and retry.

It was correct and required behavior to return to give other
superblocks a chance. Now with per-bdi writeback, we don't have to
worry about that, so it's safe to just splice and restart.

> > >   Other types of writeback splice b_more_io to b_dirty when b_dirty gets
> > > empty. pdflush style writeback writes until we drop below background dirty
> > > limit. Other kinds of writeback (throttled threads, writeback submitted by
> > > filesystem itself) write while nr_to_write > 0.
> > 
> > I'd propose to always check older_than_this. For non-kupdate sync, it
> > still makes sense to give some priority to expired inodes (generally
> > it's suboptimal to sync those dirtied-just-now inodes). That is, to
> > sync expired inodes first if there are any.
>   Well, the expired inodes are handled with priority because they are at
> the beginning of the list. So we write them first and only if writing them
> was not enough, we proceed with inodes that were dirtied later. You are

The list order is not enough for large files :)
One newly dirtied file; one 100MB expired dirty file. Current code
will sync only 4MB of the expired file and go on to sync the newly
dirty file, and _never_ return to serve the 100MB file as long as
there are new inodes dirtied, which is not optimal.

> right that we can get to later dirtied inodes even if there are still dirty
> data in the old ones because we just refuse to write too much from a single
> inode. So maybe it would be good to splice b_more_io to b_dirty already
> when we get to unexpired inode in b_dirty list. The good thing is it won't
> livelock on a few expired inodes even in the case new data are written to
> one of them while we work on the others - the other inodes on s_dirty list
> will eventually expire and from that moment on, we include them in a fair
> pdflush writeback.

Right. I modified wb_writeback() to first use 

        wbc.older_than_this = jiffies - msecs_to_jiffies(dirty_expire_interval * 10);

unconditionally, and then if no more writeback is possible, relax it
for !kupdate:

        wbc.older_than_this = jiffies;

> > >   If we didn't write anything during the b_dirty scan, we wait until I_SYNC
> > > of the first inode on b_more_io gets cleared before starting the next scan.
> > >   Does this look reasonably complete and cover all the cases?
> > 
> > What about the congested case?
>   With per-bdi threads, we just have to make sure we don't busyloop when
> the device is congested. Just blocking is perfectly fine since the thread
> has nothing to do anyway.

Right.

> The question is how normal processes that are forced to do writeback
> or page allocation doing writeback should behave.  There probably it
> makes sence to bail out from the writeback and let the caller
> decide. That seems to be implemented by the current code just fine
> but you are right I forgot about it.

No current code is not fine for pageout and migrate path, which sets
nonblocking=1, could return on congestion and then busy loop. (which
is being discussed in another thread with Mason.)

> Probably, we should just splice b_more_io to b_dirty list before
> bailing out because of congestion...

I'd vote for putting back the inode to tail of b_dirty, so that it
will be served once congestion stops: it's not the inode's fault :)

Thanks,
Fengguang
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