linux-kernel - Re: IO scheduler based IO controller V10

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Message-ID: <20091002092839.GA26962@kernel.dk>
Date:	Fri, 2 Oct 2009 11:28:39 +0200
From:	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@...cle.com>
To:	Ingo Molnar <mingo@...e.hu>
Cc:	Mike Galbraith <efault@....de>, Vivek Goyal <vgoyal@...hat.com>,
	Ulrich Lukas <stellplatz-nr.13a@...enparkplatz.de>,
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Subject: Re: IO scheduler based IO controller V10

On Fri, Oct 02 2009, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> 
> * Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@...cle.com> wrote:
> 
> > It's not hard to make the latency good, the hard bit is making sure we 
> > also perform well for all other scenarios.
> 
> Looking at the numbers from Mike:
> 
>  | dd competing against perf stat -- konsole -e exec timings, 5 back to 
>  | back runs
>  |                                                         Avg
>  | before         9.15    14.51     9.39    15.06     9.90   11.6
>  | after [+patch] 1.76     1.54     1.93     1.88     1.56    1.7
> 
> _PLEASE_ make read latencies this good - the numbers are _vastly_ 
> better. We'll worry about the 'other' things _after_ we've reached good 
> latencies.
> 
> I thought this principle was a well established basic rule of Linux IO 
> scheduling. Why do we have to have a 'latency vs. bandwidth' discussion 
> again and again? I thought latency won hands down.

It's really not that simple, if we go and do easy latency bits, then
throughput drops 30% or more. You can't say it's black and white latency
vs throughput issue, that's just not how the real world works. The
server folks would be most unpleased.

-- 
Jens Axboe

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