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Message-ID: <3efb10970910041359m1db64926pcf83ebd98a8b1bdd@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 22:59:13 +0200 From: Remy Bohmer <linux@...mer.net> To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de> Cc: linux-rt-users <linux-rt-users@...r.kernel.org>, LKML <linux-kernel@...r.kernel.org> Subject: Re: 2.6.31-rt11 freeze on userland start on ARM Hi, 2009/10/4 Thomas Gleixner <tglx@...utronix.de>: > On Wed, 30 Sep 2009, Remy Bohmer wrote: >> > The serial irq cannot run in hard irq context. >> >> Indeed most drivers cannot, but for this particular handler can you >> please explain me why? >> Maybe I am missing some new mechanism that prevents it that was not >> there on older RT-kernels (tested up-to latest 2.6.24-rt + >> 2.6.26-rt)... > > Which had the same problem .... what problem...? >> The atmel_serial IRQ was adapted such (I think it was mainlined in >> 2.6.25 already) to make it suitable to run in hard-irq context. (I >> know, because I did that myself) > > That's fine for mainline but not for -rt. The goal was making its interrupt handler suitable for -rt as well as mainline (on older kernels...). > Yes. The serial code takes locks which are converted to sleeping locks > on -RT. That's a nono. Yes, I know that spinlocks are converted to mutexes and as such they can sleep which is not allowed in hard interrupt context. But, maybe I am really overlooking something, the serial interrupt handler code of the atmel serial driver only reads the characters from the device, and puts them in a local ringbuffer with atomic instructions, then a tasklet is being scheduled to handle the data outside interrupt context. This tasklet/softirq is being scheduled by wake_up_process(), which is afaik allowed to be called from hard-irq context. The interface to the generic serial driver (that uses spinlocks) is handled by the tasklet (softirq), not by the interrupt handler. So, technically, as far as I can see the atmel-serial driver itself should be safe to be run as nodelay-handler as it is now...(it is doing that here for years already). I do not see any path that conflicts with this rule. So, I still do not see what is technically wrong with this particular driver, except that there is a new mechanism available now to solve this differently. >> > 2) Make the serial driver explicitely threaded and check in the >> > hardirq handler whether the irq originated from the serial driver. If >> > yes, disable it in the serial device and return IRQ_WAKE_THREAD >> > otherwise return IRQ_NONE. >> >> Interesting, this sounds new, and I have to dig into it to find out >> how this is supposed to work... Do you happen to have any good >> pointers for examples or doc? > > drivers/net/wireless/b43/main.c in mainline Thanks, This is indeed a good/clear example. I will adapt the atmel-serial driver to this new irq-threading model and provide a patch for it, it seems cleaner and makes the tasklet stuff obsolete for this driver. >> TOL: could the generic interrupt code not check for this? It can see >> the timer interrupt handler not returning 'IRQ_HANDLED', and still see >> the interrupt being active, and know that there is a IRQ thread on the >> same line, so it can conclude itself to mask the source in the >> interrupt controller and wake the thread... Or am I wrong? > > What happens if both are active at the same time ? Also masking the > interrupt line will block your timer interrupts until the threaded > handler has completed. That is indeed true, and proves once again that shared interrupt handlers are really annoying, especially on -rt... The old way we did in 2.6.24-rt + 2.6.26-rt was to adapt the handler to allow it to run in hard-irq context for -rt as well as mainline. The new way handles this differently... Since a -rt-friendly generic solution seems not possible, I guess before -rt ever becomes mainline _all_ interrupt handlers that are shared with a nodelay interrupt in some configuration must be adapted to the new threaded_irq model... A huge job... Kind regards, Remy -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@...r.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/
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